Kambula/Ntsevu males

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(11-19-2024, 06:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: He follows his brothers in their nomadic adventures following buffalo, abandoning their "territory" in the north countless times even when not faced with any opposition.

Except he stayed 2 times alone with NKs earlier this year, and both times got pushed away by 2 PCMs, obviously he rejoined his brothers, what he was supposed to do? 

This is now 3rd time we see same exact thing, but now he got caught by Mantimahles.

(11-19-2024, 06:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: He tolerates everybody at the dinner table countless times. Yes dominant males sometimes share food with other males, but this is rare and generally when they don't have an overwhelmingly advantage. Kambulas as 4 tolerates everybody and their mothers at the dinner table;

Yes, he tolerated, because he was nomad, nomads tolerate other nomads, idk what is strange there.

Even territorial males can tolerate nomadic lions at dinner table if food is 1st prio.

Recently they and he didnt tolerate neither Torchwood boys and neither Kruger male.

(11-19-2024, 06:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: And the most obvious thing, he was only brave enough to confront Red Road when he thought his brother had him at his mercy, when he realized K5 was the lion losing he immediately fled.

Even Mandevu who isn't thought as a particularly powerful male, is seminomadic right now, needed only a 3yo subadult with him to chase RR and his pride off, and back in the day basically as a solo male he'd invade, challenge and fight RR. K4 couldn't challenge RR with his prime littermate already fighting the guy.

You know that from 2 min clip, we dont know how that clash started and how it unfold, we basically only saw the fight, which was a mess, and K4 was prob very confused what is happening.

Regardless, Mandevu got bested by RRM, so what, does it means he is not territorial ready? 

(11-19-2024, 06:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Maybe K4 is territorial ready, if you give him a free territory without any threats, he'd possibly stick to it, but he doesn't have what it takes to be a pride male if he is to be confronted by enemies.

What pride male needs to have when he is confronted by duo?? Thats a lose scenario regardless how powerful you are.

I would understand your comments if K4 was pushed around from NKs by lone territorial male, but he was not, he was outnumbered.

(11-19-2024, 06:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Another brother at his level wouldn't magically make him be able to stand to Mantimahle or PCM, just because Ndhzengas did it, doesn't mean two K4s could as well, not every territorial ready male is equal.

Maybe, we dont know, they would definetly be much stronger.

(11-19-2024, 06:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: BDM were territorial for a year, in their prime, 2 brothers, do you think they would hold off PCM and Mantimahle who are stronger than Kambulas, the lions that ousted the BDM? Just because BDM were territorial ready?

We dont know, BDMs problem was injury/health problems of smaller maned mane, his confidence was very low, thats prob a reason why Kambulas "scare" them off easily in a first place, and why his brother eventually dump him.

People keep forgeting that 2 BDMs where invading and giving trouble to Ndhzengas before that, Ndhzengas who were still 3 at that time.

(11-19-2024, 06:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: That's my point... K4 is physically impressive, but his territorial confidence and drive not as much.

Being territorial ready isn't enough, a lion not willing to dominate by luck needs to be territorial ready AND strong to be able to compete with the likes of PCM and Mantimahle.

Again, you are comparing 1 lion to a duos.

Even the most strongest loner around, likes of RRM, or S8, or Mapoza, whatever, would get dumpstered by PCMs or Mantimahles.

Also, we dont know how formidable are individuals of these duos alone, recently 1 PCM got chased by nomadic S.Avoca/Kruger male, DM Mantimahle by K4/K3, they dont look as formidable when they dont have their brother next to them.

If they lose their partner/brother, we dont know how formidable they would be in that scenario, just take Mohawk, after losing Blondie, he was shell of himself and he lost territory to BDMs shortly after.

(11-19-2024, 06:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Edit: he also never helped any of his brothers who were caught despite being around with the other brothers and sister. Even in that famous vid of small 4yo Duba Boys (?) clashing with big prime Monomoholo & Kwandwe, the brother returns to help and attacks one of the enemies, before realizing he had no chance even 1v1.

S. Matimba v 4ways the same thing, the young much smaller 4ways returns and attacks HB from behind, but even 1v1 he didn't stand a chance nor his partner did against Ginger.

Same won't apply here, prime K4 could have easily saved his brothers from similar-sized Gijimas or even PCM because getting attention of at least 1 is enough, since 1v1 between good-sized prime males we know even RR in perfect condition struggles to do much damage.

You know he didnt try ? We have 0 info about those clashes and what happened.

(11-19-2024, 06:06 AM)Mapokser Wrote: So we have no reason to believe K4 would do much with another brother at his same page, or even all other 3. All of them must get more confident if they want to he successful, K4 is no exception.

Your opinion, imo K4 is confident enough, he just doesnt have support he needs.

You cant act fully confident if you know you have no support, otherwise you will die, this incident confirms this, he should retreated to his brothers, but he was bold and confident to stay alone and act as pride male, and payed the price. Reply