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ON THE EDGE OF EXTINCTION - A - THE TIGER (Panthera tigris)

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( This post was last modified: 10-22-2024, 07:03 PM by Apex Titan )

Ochkarik and Chlamyda - The Truth

Here's a recent video made and uploaded on YouTube by 'GalacticTiger' about the incident of the male tiger 'Ochkarik' who killed the huge male brown bear named 'Chlamyda' or 'Chlamys'.

It's a long video, but he posted all the articles/video (which I initially found & posted) and interviews of Batalov mentioning this case. Its a very detailed video.






A Detailed Analysis of this Incident

It's important to note that Alexander Batalov's conclusion was a result of deduction, based on clear tell-tale signs and strong circumstantial evidence, NOT assumptions.

There's a clear difference between 'deduction' and 'assumption'. 

Who is Alexander Batalov?

Alexander Batalov is a renowned field biologist, conservationist, and game warden. He is one of the world's leading scientific authorities on tigers and bears in Far East Russia. Even Russian bear expert and hunter-biologist Mikhail Krechmar, said that Batalov is the largest bear specialist in the south of the Far East (Ussuri regions). Biologist Alexander Batalov has over 50 years of field experience studying the ecology and biology of wild Amur tigers and Himalayan & Ussuri brown bears in the taiga, particularly in the Khabarovsk Krai.

Batalov, along with Yuri Dunishenko, is arguably the greatest Amur tiger & bear expert of our time. Both men have far more field experience (over half a century) than Russian biologists like, say, Ivan Seryodkin. Batalov is a very seasoned biologist.

Throughout a large part of his career, Batalov caught, measured and weighed many brown bears. He also studied the contents of their stomachs, and measured many bear skulls, etc. Batalov has also published over 40 scientific studies on topics ranging from tiger behaviour and sustainable forestry. He currently works as the Director of the Durminskoye Forest Reserve and hunting enterprise.

Because of Alexander Batalov's vast amount of knowledge and experience, he even traveled to South Africa & Zambia to share his knowledge to the conservationists who are trying to protect and preserve the populations of elephants and rhinos.

Needless to say, Batalov is a very highly respected, experienced, and reputable expert/biologist, who has a great reputation on the line. Firm conclusions from such a major expert speaks volumes and has to be taken very seriously. 

Deductions & Clear Tell-Tale Signs

Chlamyda was not an ordinary brown bear, he was a really enormous bear of immense proportions, most likely weighing between 400 - 500 kg. Batalov described this bear as "incredibly huge", hence his name "Chlamyda". For years, Batalov knew this bear intimately, as well as the tigress Rashel and her mate, the dominant male tiger and ruler of the area - Ochkarik.

After constant persecution (following her and stealing her kills) from the giant bear, Rashel had, had enough and complained to the father of her cubs, the male tiger Ochkarik. Batalov said that he had never heard Rashel growl in such a "special way" in the taiga. Very soon after, Ochkarik appeared on the scene and met the tigress, which was recorded on video.

After Ochkarik appeared in the area to meet the tigress Rashel, the huge male brown bear had suddenly vanished, never to be seen again. Batalov then saw camera trap photos of Ochkarik who looked very inflated (very gorged stomach), so gorged that Batalov was shocked. Batalov then found the remains of a brown bear (fur and meat) in Ochkarik's excrement's. He had killed and eaten a brown bear.

Now what do these signs indicate? Ochkarik appears to help the tigress Rashel, he kills and eats a 'brown bear', Batalov finds remains of a brown bear in Ochkarik's scats, he sees photos of Ochkarik heavily gorged on this 'brown bear' he was feeding on, and the giant bear Chlamyda just vanishes, never to be seen again. Coincidence or not?

Tigers Vengeful Nature

It's a well known and documented fact that tigers are very vengeful and vindictive beasts. There are numerous factual accounts of premeditated revenge attacks and killings by tigers. John Vaillant in his book "The Tiger" mentions another 8 additional cases of the Amur tiger's vengeful nature, which was investigated, confirmed and documented by forensic specialists. These 8 cases were in addition to the famous Vladimir Markov incident.

Colonel Kesri Singh also mentions a case in his book "The Tiger of Rajasthan" of a Bengal tiger that killed a hunter for interfering with its wild boar hunt. Alexander Batalov, as well as other Russian biologists and rangers also stated that tigers are vengeful animals with a capacity for premeditated revenge.

The brown bear 'Chlamyda' clearly violated Ochkarik's family, hence why he took revenge on the huge bear and killed, and ate him. Tigers destroy and eliminate their threats, they're hard-wired to do so.

Alexander Batalov said that tigers are clever, with a capacity for premeditated revenge:




*This image is copyright of its original author


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LUhh...ge&f=false

In a future post I'm making about the tigers vengeful and vindictive nature, I'll post plenty more evidence and factual accounts showing the vengeful nature of tigers.

Amur Tiger Predation on Bears

Its a well known fact, that male Amur tigers regularly hunt and eat both black and brown bears. Various biologists, zoologists, hunters, and naturalists have reported this. In the Khabarovsk region, bears make up 13% of the Amur tigers annual diet and are one of the main food sources of tigers, second to wild boar and red deer. There are many authentic accounts of tigers killing and eating large (including adult males) brown bears, the most recent case happened in 2022, in the same region this incident of Ochkarik killing Chlamyda took place.

Ochkarik was a 'bear-killer' tiger, who regularly hunted bears. In winter, he even made a habit of climbing trees and pulling black bears out of hollows. So he was an experienced bear-killer. Combine his adept bear killing skills and experience with his dominant status, confidence, attitude and vengeful nature, you can then see why he decided to vanquish the huge male brown bear.

Chlamyda's Disappearance (8 years later)

Now, 8 years later, the giant male brown bear has not been seen anywhere in the Khabarovsk region. Not by Batalov, not by rangers, not by hunters, not by anyone!

Batalov puts up a lot of camera traps throughout the Durminskoye Forest Reserve to study and track tigers, and still, 8 years later, there's still no signs or trace at all of this huge brown bear anywhere. Chlamyda wasn't even seen in any of the neighboring reserves like Khekhtsir. Nowhere!

Alexander Batalov roams the taiga every day of his life. He lives in the Durminskoye forest among tigers and bears, and for many years, he puts up many camera traps. So 8 years later, not a single camera trap has captured any picture of Chlamyda, nor has Batalov seen any of his tracks, nothing!

For argument's sake, if Ochkarik never killed and ate this giant bear, then how can a exceptionally large male brown bear, likely weighing 400 - 500 kg, that was described to have "maniacal perseverance" and a aggressive nature, and used to stealing food from other predators, just vanish into thin air, never to be seen again, even 8 years later?? Makes no sense!

Or was the huge bear so terrified of Ochkarik, that he decided to immediately flee from the entire Khabarovsk region?

Were Hunters Responsible for the Huge Brown Bear's Disappearance?

Of course, for obvious reasons (preference, fanaticism & agenda) the bear fans will dismiss and reject Batalov's conclusion, even though he's the expert authority who studied and tracked the tiger Ochkarik, tigress Rashel, and brown bear Chlamyda for many years in the Durmin forest.

Bear fans claim (speculate) that the huge brown bear probably left the forest because of "hunters". Well, lets break down this opinion/argument and see how highly unlikely it is:

Alexander Batalov is the director of the Durminskoye forest hunting enterprise. Meaning he (Batalov) works and regularly talks with the local hunters in the Durmin Reserve. If there really was a possibility that the giant bear fled the area because of the hunters, Batalov would have surely considered that possibility. But why didn't he at all??

Also, those licensed hunters never told Batalov that "Chlamyda" fled because of them. NO ranger, biologist, or hunter told Batalov this. And Batalov himself never considered this a possible cause. Which indicates that this is a weak argument and highly unlikely scenario because a major scientific authority and specialist such as Alexander Batalov didn't even consider it. That says something.

Add to this, Batalov never saw ANY signs, indications or circumstantial evidence that suggested that 'Chlamyda' fled the area because of the hunters. In fact, Batalov saw clear tell-tale signs and strong circumstantial evidence that strongly suggested that the huge bear was killed and devoured by the male tiger 'Ochkarik'.

I have no reason to doubt the firm conclusion of a leading expert and one of Russia's most highly reputable, experienced and respected scientific authorities on tigers and bears. 

Alexander Batalov's Conclusion & Risk of his Reputation (Addressing the Critics)

Biologist Alexander Batalov had very good reasons, based on clear tell-tale signs and strong circumstantial evidence, that made him definitively conclude that the tiger Ochkarik killed and completely consumed the huge male brown bear 'Chlamyda'. This is why for several years now, Batalov has been very adamant and certain that this is indeed the case. Hence why he's told this incident to 3-4 different Russian journalists and a live TV news presenter.

Batalov also confirmed this case first-hand via email, which I posted in this thread. So we also have first-hand confirmation from Batalov himself:

Dear Dr. Alexander Batalov:

You said that you judged that a huge brown bear disappeared because the tiger Ochkarik killed it. Because the brown bear often bullies his girlfriend and steals her food. In addition, you also found that Ochkarik's stomach became bigger and there was brown bear meat in his feces. I want to make sure it's true? thank you!

Alexander Batalov:

Yes, it's true. Unfortunately Ochkarik is gone, but other tigers have appeared..."

Email:

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This is exactly why Batalov reported this incident 3 years after (2020) Chlamyda's disappearance, because he probably wanted to make sure that the huge brown bear was definitely gone and never gonna return. Such a major expert authority and biologist like Alexander Batalov would never come to a firm conclusion based on 'weak evidence' and vague signs. He clearly saw blatant indications which clearly suggested that Ochkarik killed and ate the giant brown bear.

Think about it, Chlamyda was not an average bear, he was an incredibly huge male, and well known among the hunters, rangers, and Batalov in that forest. If Chlamyda was never killed by Ochkarik and returned back to the forest some time later, then Batalov's credibility would have been ruined. It would have destroyed his reputation because he would have repeatedly "lied" or spread "misinformation" to several journalists and a TV news reporter on live television. It's a huge risk of his reputation. So he had to be very certain and seen evidence to support his conclusion.

The fact that the huge brown bear completely vanished around the same time when Ochkarik had killed and eaten a 'brown bear', and Batalov finding the remains of a brown bear in Ochkarik's excrements, clearly suggests that this particular brown bear 'Chlamyda' was slaughtered and devoured by Ochkarik, hence why he's still nowhere to be seen after all these years.

Now, 8 years later, still no signs or trace of Chlamyda in the entire Khabarovsk region. That says it all.

And lastly, in a very recent article (published January 2, 2024) 'Khabarovsk game warden creates a taiga chronicle' of an interview with biologist Alexander Batalov, Batalov once again told the journalist that Ochkarik killed and devoured the huge bear 'Chlamyda' or 'Chlamys' :

"A huge robber bear named Chlamys really hindered her in this. If Rachel gets an animal for her kittens, he will come and brazenly take the prey. Then the tigress began to growl in a special way - she called for help from the father of her cubs, a tiger named Ochkarik. He came to the rescue and dealt harshly with the offender - he simply devoured him.  After all, Ochkarik is a seasoned male."



*This image is copyright of its original author



https://todaykhv.ru/news/in-areas-of-the...nce/71709/

https://habarovsk.bezformata.com/listnew...127201098/
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