Nkuhuma Pride

[KM600]

(09-02-2024, 07:38 PM)Rui Ferreira Wrote:

(09-02-2024, 06:31 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(09-02-2024, 06:09 PM)KM600 Wrote: Adding onto this, it’s been a while since the PCMs were even seen mating with the Nkuhumas. Three Nkuhuma lionesses seem to have accepted them completely but the rest don’t seem to be sure, their age doesn’t help either. I actually look at none of the lionesses seemingly pregnant, yet, as a good thing. The PCMs don’t have a stronghold on the North to protect even more of their own cubs.

Ideally, Kambulas take whole NKs and manage to keep PCMs west, this outcome would be best for all parties, including PCMs western prides Mhangenis and Ximhungwes.

Question is are Kambulas interested and capable of doing that.

I understand when you say Kambulas taking over the whole nkuhuma pride would be the ideal situation
However I´ve been wanting to discuss something here in wildfact for a while but never seen a way to get it started


Genetics- So we all know theres alot of inbreeding around the whole Kruger and what those cases could do to lion population
We are in a phase that it seems that we should prioritize lion numbers over their genetic health
Perhaps we are already seeing some cases of inbreeding complications on lions around the reserve for example: some infertile females, wide set eyes ( like we see in captivity felines victims or exessive inbreding), obviously inbreeding makes recessive genes show up more ( like the white lions in Timbavati), behavior changes ( Im not an  expert on that but maybe) and so on, not to talk about health risks and common health deficiences


Sabi sands , Maniyeleti and Timbavati arent the worst zones of Kruger where that is happening, if we look north of Klaserie things seem to be even worse, most prides there are descendants of Birmingham and Ross prides and they´ve been mating with eachoter for quite some time, because only occasionally a lion or two from Timbavati/Thornybush goes up there etc...
If we look into the south of Kruger the family tree there looks like a basket ball, he have the same names everywhere etc...

Im sorry for only now talking about the Kambulas and Nkuhumas 
So as we know Kambulas and Nkuhumas share the same blood from the Birminghams, would it be ideal to them taking over the Nkuhuma pride or perhas a coaliton like 2 Mantimahale males be better to refresh the genetic pool or even some males comming from Kruger like what happend with he Ndhzengas or Gijimas

Where would the Kambulas go? well you have prides like Imbali and Mbiris that still being related to them arent as close ( the Nharus are a big no no in terms of genetics for them), if we look south everything the sun touches in sabi sands seems to have been touched by their fathers or grandpas 
Obviously we cant control where they decide to go, and shouldn´t


Nkuhumas in genetic terms seem to have bads options all around:
PCM- they already have what 4 prides? in the future half the reserve would be their descendant even worse with their half brothers the Nkhulus south reproducing aswell
Mantimhale males- same problem, if the PCM descendants reach adulthood they would be cousins to any Nkuhuma descendants who also reach adulthood
Khanya and Nkuhuma- I MEAN
Kambulas- have some sisters and nieces in the pride 
Ndzhengas- seem to be the better option, but they already have two big prides an enormous territory and being only two males now, cant really have everything from on end of MalaMala to djuma


But how would Kruger national park resolve this inbreeding problem and if you guys think its really a problem to be resolved at all
Relocating lions seems a bad ideia, imagine if we relocate a coaliton of 4 to a place where theres only a lone pride male, quite unfair to him
expanding the borders could help prides being more dispersed and not controled by the same males but its very difficult to get it done
Now a theory of mine- could artificial insemination help with the genetics? Like we inseminate a pride with a pride male/coalition with sperm from other lions from other reserves, zoos or even sanctuaries ?
the problem is how would we know if the cubs are from the resident dominant male or the artificial insemination? I dont know
and would the male accept the cubs? I dont know too



anyway what are you guys opinions on that
I dont know if I should post this here or at all and even  if it makes sense with my broken english

That was pretty perfect English to be honest, I can guarantee u every member understood all that. I look at it like this, majority of these lions are somewhat related, but not enough for it to trouble us, more so related many generations ahead. Theres not enough cases like Tintswalos with Mbiris for reserves to think about relocating males or whole prides.

 Speaking about this actually, the famous lion Tembe was relocated to better the genetics of the area he was moved into and well his son was also relocated recently too for obvious reasons. His son, only 3 years 10 months old and he already killed the dominant male of the new reserve he was moved into so even if they wanted to move all these males, it definitely wouldn’t be easy to do and wouldn’t exactly be fair for the resident males like u already pointed out. Reply