The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata)

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(10-27-2023, 06:01 AM)Matias Wrote: Honestly, I didn't like Mr. Kaveh Ahmadi Aliabadi's arguments, he really has very incoherent points and poor reasoning. Below are two quotes taken from the article:

"Similarly, the Tasmanian tiger was thought to be extinct, but it has been seen several times and it is now known that some of them are probably still hiding in the deep forests of Tasmania."

This situation and its obviousness in being fake does not deserve any explanation.

"Projects for the protection, cub killing, revival and reintroduction of the Mazandaran tiger, the Siberian tiger and the Asiatic lion should also be followed in the direction of the Asiatic cheetah project, and especially with the help of foreign experts and experiences, and perhaps the facilities and technology in the world, not with secrecy, and leaving a species on the brink of extinction at the hands of nature polluted by man."

Complicated, right? Tylacine as a rediscovered species and Asian cheetah project as a model. Nothing more than, at most, a dozen cheetahs live free in Iran (30 years ago there were around 100). In 2016, the already catastrophic situation became known:

https://focusingonwildlife.com/news/only-two-female-asiatic-cheetahs-remain-in-wild-in-iran/

Its conservation program focused on a pair of cheetahs in captivity, doomed to failure due to a total lack of genetic diversity.

And the case of wildlife professionals arrested in Iran on grounds of espionage, their names and their sentences.

November 2019 sentence:

Niloufar Bayani and Morad Tahbaz - 10 years
Houman Jokar and Taher Ghadirian - 8 years old
Amir Hossein Khaleghian and Sepideh Kashani - 6 years old
Seyed-emami - Died while in pre-trial custody.

Iran is a major investor in conservation, with its notorious international partnerships - just being cynical.

As for tigers, I can even conceive of elaborate reasoning that encourages the possibility of their existence among lay people. It is part of the game of conservation and the different interests in promoting Lazarus species. But for me, logic and insights require much more than this simple story can be told.

Mr. Kaveh and the Iranian regime know that this issue is a form of international insertion, while Chita's spotlight goes out.

What calls my attention above everything is the consistency in reported sightings!! I´ve shared a documentary called: "on the trail of the hyrcan tiger" where a shepard tells he saw a tiger in golestan national park. Months ago i spoke to another guy who says he also witnessed a tiger kill a boar also at golestan and that he has friends who work in the park(rangers) that have seen tigers in the area too!! that is just something that can not be ignored!!!

we need to remember that asiatic lions in india have a population of around 600 now that came from a population of a few dozen!! and we can never know for sure how many are realy out there especially regarding a specie that is known to be great roamers! That is what the article i posted is all about!! the lazarus effect and others!!! Even though Dr Aliabadi may be wrong in his exemples his points are based around probable circunstaces regarding the sightings! we need to remember the zanzibar leopard for exemple! many people were probably searching for logic and insights regarding them just like you! And regarding the tiger, is good to mention, the same iranian department that a few years ago found 15cm footprints at parvar reserve!! too big to be those of a leopard! Reply