Nkuhuma Pride

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@SMK350 even if Jr was indeed as old as you claim ( I'm waiting for evidence of him being 2-3 months shy of 4 like Nkuhuma male is now ) and he wasn't kicked out before Bboys started pressuring ( which would put the Matimbas in a very weak position, again, I'll be waiting for proof that Bboys weren't pressuring at the time ). This would be a single example of more tolerant males.

I'm the one who is blown away, you're reaching some absurd conclusions based on things I've never stated.

Why are you still saying how bad is that males have been pushed away and had no protection from their fathers? Why are you implying that I'm saying that it is a good thing that males are kicked out at a young age? When have I even implied that this is a good thing for them or something that I like to see? I merely stated the facts, the truth that most males are not privileged enough to remain in their natal territory until they are 4 and at an age they'll leave at their own choice.

Now:

A) I've never said oldest NK male isn't grateful to still be allowed in the territory, how can you miss every time I said this is a privilege? Males that are allowed to remain for so long are privileged, it's a good thing for them;

B) I've never insulted Mohawk or any other lion. I've never called Mohawk a weakling, my goodness, why are you twisting my words to such a degree? I've said his position is weak, which is an obvious and truthful statement, because he's alone against 2 rivals, doesn't matter how strong a lion is, he will always be in a weak position when dealing with 2 enemies. How you managed to twist this to claim I'm calling Mohawk a weakling is honestly beyond me;

C) The oldest male wasn't pushed out completely which was what I was referring to, being a breakaway pride is irrelevant, Mohawk is literally hanging out with them and doesn't chase him away from his territory which under normal condition would be what most dominant males would do to sons 2-3 months away from turning 4. Is it good for the young males to remain as much as possible with their pride and in their territory? Yes. It increases their chances? Yes. Did I ever said otherwise? No. Did I said the truth that this isn't often what happens? Yes, usually males kick their sons out of the territory before they are so close to 4, sometimes before they even turn 3.

Idk why males kick their sons out relatively soon in most of the cases, maybe because if they are 4 and depending on the numbers, they will try to overthrown their fathers ( see Black Dam Male and his 2 sons ) so maybe they have to kick them out at an age they won't be a threat anytime soon and can move to a distant place and when actually reach an age to challenge for a territory, they'll be far from their fathers' territory. Not sure if this is the reason but the fact is that most males don't allow 4yo sons to be around, period. Reply