Styx Pride

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@Duco Ndona who said males will defend offspring with their lives like females do? I specifically said the relationship between them is different.

Males will defend cubs if they can, if they are outnumbered or don't have good odds to win the fight they'll obviously flee, I never denied they put themselves first. I stated they have instincts to protect them which is true.

@Tr1x24 males abandon their offspring when they lose their territory because they get ousted, they leave, how are they suppose to do anything? Their cubs will either get killed or if old enough and female, stay in the pride. And they don't have motherly instincts to raise offspring.

You said they don't protect them, only the territory, which isn't true and I replied to that statement specifically.

The male is playing with the cub by taking him on his mouth? Like seriously? That's not how they play, you obviously know what the behavior of taking the a cub on its mouth means for a cat. If he was playing he would swipe the cub with his paw.

Your argument for allowing cubs to eat makes no sense, lions can't even count to 3 and wouldn't remember how many cubs they have if they're not looking at them, but he somehow has the awareness that the cubs wouldn't eat much?

Yes they may attack their own sons if they lose connection to them, but how is this an argument when we know females do the same? They do that all the time, Tsalalas and Othawas attacked their own daughters, hell Kambulas attack their life long sisters after not seeing them in a couple of weeks or months. If females ( creatures that die for their offspring ) will attack their offspring if they lose connection to them, why wouldn't males?

You claimed males only fight for themsleves and won't protect their offspring, but that video proves you wrong, the male protected his 2 subadult sons despite him having nothing to gain from it, no food, no mating, no territory, he put himself between the females and subadults because his protection instincts for his offspring kicked in. The subs may have been killed if he wasn't there, but he was and they left unscathed, he protected them, period.

As for Mapogos, they are not dominating him over a kill, you know very very well that coalition members eat before females and cubs, Mr.T had no problem eating with them, first sighting of him in the West again was in a buffalo kill with the others, the only reason he wasn't allowed any closer in the video was because a cub was there and they sensed Mr.T was hostile to it, if no cub was there Mr.T and the others would've chased the female and eat together. Or at least eat with the female. Females in no circumstances have more rights to feed thab a coalition male but she was feeding just fine abd Mr.T wasn't allowed, why? Because the female was with a cub and the kill had nothing to do with the malea behavior, they weren't defending a kill, but a cub.

Mr.T killed the 3 cubs, as the ranger said, when no male was around.

Anyway as I stated originally, nowhere did I say they care as much as females, I said the relationship was obviously different, but it's a fact they have instincts to protect their offspring and if they can ( meaning they have the upper hand ) they'll go out of their way to defend them. Obviously if it seems their rivals are stronger they'll leave as they prioritize their own safety. Reply