Styx Pride

[Tr1x24]

(12-12-2022, 10:39 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @Tr1x24 Sorry but are you saying males don't care or protect their offspring?

How is this a myth? Their goal is to spread their genes, they take over new prides in hope of siring more cubs and therefore having a bigger chance of spreading their genes. They aren't smart enough or have the awareness that this strategy isn't always the best, they are simple animals, in their head mating more will increase their chances. However we see big coalitions splitting to protect multiple prides.

I didn't say that they dont care whatsoever, they obiviously do care, but to some extend (otherwise they would kill the cubs and bring female back to estrus themselves).

Let me explain, male lions priorities : 1. Food (obiviously for sole survival) 2. Mating,  3. Rest (which includes their offspring).

Females, when they have cubs, are different : 1. Food, 2.Offspring , 3. Rest (thats until they dont get back in estrus, when they are in estrus again, mating gets also back to 2nd place and offspring drops to 3rd, same as males).

If male lions so care about their offspring, why then in 100% cases, when they lose their territory, they abandon and leave their offspring to get killed? Why they dont stay with them, and females, and defend them with their lives? Like females will do, who would die defending them. Or just stay with them, help them hunt, survive? Its obvious, they dont care for them to that extend. They will leave and search for new territory elsewhere. 

Or why they abandon their offspring for new pride, new mating opportunities? Obiviously because they prioritize mating over their offspring. 

And this is not only for lions, but majority of animals, mother is in most cases main and sometimes only protector of their offspring, dad's role changes from species to species. 

(12-12-2022, 10:39 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Is this male carrying the cub on his mouth defending his territory or worried about the cub's safety?

https://youtube.com/shorts/t4rFHylZ2ys?feature=share

I think he is just curious about the cub, "investigating" him, maybe wants to play with it, i dont think he is caring or helping him because he picked him up with his mouth. 

Males are also playfull, they will often play with their offspring, especially younger males, as it reminds them to their younger days.

(12-12-2022, 10:39 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Is this male warning the pride female after she got aggressive with the cub him worried about his territory?

https://youtu.be/ZshCfoFcvfg

He heard sounds of growling, and it looks like "instinct" reaction, he would do the same if there was 2 females there instead of cubs. 

(12-12-2022, 10:39 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Is this male chasing the female away from the kill and only allowing his cubs to eat, him defending the territory and not worried about his offspring's growth?

https://youtu.be/BPSWunb9vcQ 

Which by the way is a common behavior, males will often allow young cubs to eat first with them so they can grow strong, and they become less tolerant when the cubs grows bigger since they are not so vulnerable anymore.

Or is it, that they dont allow females to eat, because females are big, and will eat a lot of "their" food, so they dont allow them, while they dont even bother to chase small cubs, because they can eat like a bird, unnoticable to them?? And when cubs grow into subs, they are now agressive towards them more, because they can eat more of "their" food? 

(12-12-2022, 10:39 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Is this male blatantly defending his 2 subadults sons from his other pride him defending his territory? At 3:45 

https://youtu.be/dpjFS6Fl3_A

Obiviously you can find examples like this, when 2 pride encounter each others, that males will play peacemakers, because he hangs with both of them, but then again there is many other examples, where males will attack their own offspring from another pride, which they previously abandon, like Ndhzengas did to Styx pride with Kambulas recently, they mauled their own son. 

Obiviously we dont know everything what is going on in their heads and we cant explain every behavior. 

(12-12-2022, 10:39 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Edit: I almost forgot about Mapogos protecting the cub from Mr.T:

https://youtu.be/S6prLdjyLtU

They are dominating him over kill, not alowing him near the carcass.  Mr T. in the end killed all their cubs.

To rap this up, male lions do care for their offspring, but to some extend, which is nowhere near the lvl of lioness.

We can say that male lion is protecting their offspring, but he is doing that with his territory, in which his offspring lives, when/if  that territory is gone, his offspring will recieve no help from their father. Reply