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08-12-2022, 09:33 PM( This post was last modified: 08-13-2022, 02:53 AM by Luipaard )
(08-12-2022, 07:11 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(08-12-2022, 03:33 PM)Luipaard Wrote:
(08-02-2022, 06:05 PM)Pckts Wrote:
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That's a vague statement isn't it? Especially considering that male leopards have a similar maximum shoulder height as male jaguars. In mass jaguaresses and male leopards too are similar. He isn't even comparing cats; he's boasting the jaguars because that's what Marlon Dutoit does.
No jaguaress is going to dwarf big Persian males from northern Iran but at the same time that jaguaress he mentions could be thrice the size of an Arabian male leopard. Again it's a vague statement.
Shoulder height isn’t indicative of a cats size and similar isn’t the same.
Female Jaguars from the Pantanal are going to dwarf male Leopards which is what was stated. Not that they’ll dwarf the largest individuals of the Leopard species. And regardless of location, female Pantanal Jaguars will be larger than any male leopard subspecies. The largest Persians, Africans and Indians will all overlap with Female Jaguars for sure but the biggest of them more often is the Female Panatanal Jaguar.
Lastly, there’s no discrediting Marlon, he’s seen 100s of leopards and dozens of Jaguars, he’s not making uneducated claims.
When talking about dwarfing someone/something, height is a key factor. That or sheer bulk in which he's partly right (see my example). Pantanal jaguaresses are not going to dwarf Persian male leopards from northern Iran, the difference in size on average is at best 5kg which isn't enough to dwarf a similar cat.
I'm not discrediting Dutoit's Instagram posts. He just boasted the jaguaress' size like rangers and guides now and then call certain male leopards "the size of a lioness" or a "lioness with spots". Doesn't mean it's true even though they've seen plenty of male leopards and lionesses. Basically Dutoit should've been more specific.