Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities & Differences

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(03-16-2022, 08:33 PM)SpinoRex Wrote: Guate,

So as i said i already excluded the length. I was talking about the robustness and curvature. 

I never said the lion is stronger (talking about a certain area then its different). Also besides the curvature you are probably referring to the robustness right? Also robustness is measured relatively and not in total and from various robusticity indexes Malaysia tigers where not behind bengals. The study from Valkenbourgh shows that the most robust humeri bone came from a malaysia tiger. What a larger tension/extension muscle will bring?

I already read the study from Yamaguchi. His expertise on this field is more than that of sunquist as he is specialized on lion and tigers although sunquist stated similar thigs. He said cats with a higher BI are more cursorial but the lion is an exception. And below he states that the limbs are similar to that of tigers and both have limbs that are normal for forest dwelling cats. And as i said before the lion developed minor differences but still has the limbs of a "forest dwelling" cat as said by sunquist(A weapon). Also the comparison between cheetahs and lions should be taken with a graint of salt as the limbs are pretty much different regardless of ratios.

It doesn't matter if is length or robustness, you are completelly avoiding the point. The development of the animals (captive vs wild) and the subspecies did affect the results. And Valkenbourgh (in which article she focus on clavicles?) did not focus in clavicles as far I know. Again, you are mixing the things, like Pckts says.

Now you state that you never said the lion is stronger,  but check what you wrote, twice:

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You are implying it in your posts, and then you say that what Khan85 said on the bones on tigers and lions and his conclutions are from a "fanatic"? Certainly there is a double standard here. I think that is too much of "lion vs tiger" in all this conversation.

And finally, what Dr Sunqusit and Yamaguchi said is basically the same, I don't see why you are overthinking and overinterpreting what they stated which is pretty clear: lions are closer to cheetah based in they cursorial life but they keep the basic body plan with some addaptations. Lions and tigers adapted to they habitat with little modifications in the basic morphology. Simple as that. Reply