Birmingham Pride of lions

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(06-02-2021, 08:54 PM)Potato Wrote:

(06-02-2021, 06:15 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(06-02-2021, 06:00 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(06-02-2021, 12:38 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(06-02-2021, 12:29 AM)Tonpa Wrote: It's definitely cool to think about all the prides/coalitions that exist today that have some link back to the Birmingham pride 

reminded me of this diagram/picture/thingy I saw on FB 

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Wow! That is precisely what I was talking about, and still I am amazed by the sheer extent of their reach. Thank you for sharing this, it is incredible to see laid out like this.

The Birmingham pride is also just another fork in the tree map of all the lions in Kruger, so I don't think it's anymore special than any other pride of lions around but I do see your point as well.

It may be, which goes to the root of my original question. I was asking what other prides have had as much of an impact on local lion dynamics. If you have any you can name, I'd love to hear about them.

If one would know entire history of the lion prides then for sure there would be as impressive or more impressive reproduction success. Bassicly each pride is breakaway from the other pride so the deeper you search the more reproductive success you will find.  Same way as Nharu pride is part of Birmingham pride lineage, same Birmingham pride is part of lineage of another pride from which Birmingham pride came from and because of that reproductive success wider for that pride. Problem is that we do not know in general, most of lion prides lineages further than few years back. 

From the intresting lineages I am aware of I would say:

1. Giraffe pride which includes at least (that is of what I am aware of and definitelly I do not know whole history of that pride): Avoca pride (which breakaway from Giraffe pride) and all the off spring from the prides dominated by males related to Giraffe pride (Avocas/Giraffe males, younger Giraffe male, Rockfig male, Southern and Northern Avocas and Xikukutsu males.

2. Oryginal Tailless Tsalala lionesses from which comes nowdays Tsalala, Mhangni and Kambula prides + potentiall offspring two older Mhangenis could have in Kruger if they succeed. She herself breakaway from Ximughwe pride so as I mentioned above you could add her to Ximunghwe pride as well.

I could not agree more. While studies of lions have gone on for all my years on this earth, which is a lot, but you hit on one of the biggest issues. We are working within the constraints of available data. Everything comes from something, somewhere, but given the relatively early stages of lion study at this low level, there just isn't enough available data to fill all of those tremendous gaps, at least not yet.

You mention the original Tailess Tsalala Lioness. It is funny, but I literally just read an entire story of her and her daughter, the second Tailless Tsalala Lioness (and possibly the more well known, due to there being more data available), how incredible they were, to have both been at one point the sole remaining lioness of the pride and to rebuild it. Now we see history repeating for a third time in that same pride, incredible. I am going to share that story in the Lion Tales thread, just haven't had time yet, but I will as soon as I am able, because I think it is such an incredible story of survival.

Your post is exactly what I was hoping for, so thank you my friend. Reply