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04-03-2021, 06:33 AM

(04-02-2021, 07:23 PM)Balam Wrote:
(04-02-2021, 04:42 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:
(04-02-2021, 02:33 PM)Balam Wrote:
(04-02-2021, 07:59 AM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:
(04-02-2021, 07:10 AM)Balam Wrote: @Dark Jaguar Recreio was such an interesting male, too bad we don't have much footage of him. I confused him initially on that video with Maxime some timee back, though I'm sure he was bigger.

Indeed he was, this video of Recreio is from 2010, too bad we won't get any fresh news of him, but footage wise I think we still can find some videos or pics of him around the internet if we're lucky enough, we just gotta search by the time he was shown the most, in case of Recreio 2010-2011 but still it won't be an easy task. yeah Jopoi looks like him and some rosettes of both looks the same and are placed in almost the same parts of the body however they're placed in slightly different areas, there's one spot on top of the body of both that looks almost the same haha.

I still laugh with that name though and I still wonder who named him like that, here it means ''break time for children at school to have snacks and play'' its called ''Recreio'', maybe he was first spotted by some kid near the Jofre Velho School at ''Recreio time'' lol.

Sizewise he was probably bigger at younger age just like Fantasma who I think was larger on his prime, shame we only saw him at old age which was still pretty big but imagine him on his prime.

Anyways Speaking of sizes I was wondering when the captures and recaptures of jaguars overall will start.

Here's another extremely short clip of Recreio mating, I don't understand why they only take these barely visible videos

I don't know if we'll ever see him back or if he is even alive yet. I know that Tito was seen last year but the end of it in the premises of a Panthera farm though, likely Jofre Velho, so hopefully we'll get footage of him at some point.

I don't think we'll see Recreio again, its very unlikely but if he reappears he would look just like Spencer, very very old, but to me he is already gone, you can just compare that video he is chilling with a prime male, the difference in age screams, now you say this about ''maybe you'll never get info of Recreio'' just imagine how I feel about one of the most impressive males I've ever seen, Hector male. I'd have to go back to 2007-2008-2009 to try to get something of Hector, I think he is from the same generation as Recreio, Wilson, Poyi, Lopez... Rafael Hoogesteijn told me back then they could only estimate Hector's size just like Pirata (Mick). When Rafael said about capture and Hector on the same phrase I even thought Hector could be M02 but Rafael said he wasn't captured. At least my thoughts still holds ground on him being larger than those ''mere'' 130 kg.

I think Tito could be seen again since the last time he was seen was last year, if thats the case he could likely appear at least for a last time.

About Recreio's video thats it and I think there must be more of him out there but most of the quality isn't that good for it being 10 yo.

Here's a footage by Helicopter of Poyi male in 2010 (he looks really bulky), likely near a ranch in Porto Jofre, you can also note the footage Quality.

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And I agree that its bad these short clips of just a few secs, even the interaction of Recreio with the Giant Otters it seems the conflict was already happening before the cameraman started filming akin to the fight of Mancha-Preta and Colombiano which was a shame start filming only at end, each of these jags behaviors gotta be fully registered and its a shame most gets cut.

Lastly I gotta ask you to keep an eye if Abigail will drop a profile document of Hector, I'm dying to know more about him, if she posts him, let me know, you can even tag me in case you post anything about Hector.

What size did Rafael estimate Hector at? IMO he was 130-135 kg, Mick was likely around that size too, although Mick was not too particularly stocky, just very barrel-shaped through his mind section. Poyi was a tank, he reminds me of M15 or Andy with his build.

About Hector's profile, the only thing she has of him is that photo I shared with you before, but you can always DM her to see if she has more info. The last time we were trying to ID the male I last posted from the Cuiba river but didn't have luck, he's not on the guide.

I'm more so curious now about seeing footage from the new generation in the area. Currently everything is flooded and it makes jaguar being very difficult for tourists, but I'm dying to see more Ubirata and Xingu who are the two young males that she described as Edno-sized while not being in their prime.

No, Rafael didn't give his estimation but when he sent me a pic he took of Pirata he said Pirata could be 140 kg but I think Hector could be 140 kg too IMO.

Yes, you read my mind, Poyi reminded me alot of Guru (M15) as well as Wilson.

You mentioned about ''flooded'' I just remembered what the North american researcher Douglas Bryan Trent who studies Pantanal for over 30 years mentioned in an interview of TV.

''One thing that I see here is very different is the fact of the flood season and dry season is that during flooded season big part of the jaguars leave the region but when the dry season returns the jaguars return and what my research shows is that big part of them are new, different jaguars, each year there's different jaguars and I don't see a jaguar of last year this year for example.''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoDZw1xvHao

So there may appear new jaguars when the dry season returns.

He ID jaguars too in the North Pantanal from Cáceres to Pacu Gordo and he even ID Giant otters which their neck spots are always unique and he registered group sex of giant otters too.

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Cáceres is located towards west Poconé north Pantanal separated by the Paraguay river.

In the moment the studies coordinated by Douglas got 81 jaguars and 48 giant otters IDed.

Like in Porto Jofre and Mamirauá reserve, Cáceres also got high density of jaguars.

Jags Identified by Douglas.

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Here's a pregnant female from that area recently filmed by the TV team accompanied by Douglas on boat, she seems gasping, looks like she's gonna give birth at any time.

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Cáceres also covers the Ecological Station of Taiamã area where Jairzão, Anderson Silva, Caiman, Picolé, Selema and other jaguars that were captured by CENAP/ICMBio live.

Cáceres is also the area where 2 jaguar attacks on humans happened I posted here the cases on scientific papers sometime ago including the one of the skull bite to its victim.

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I am looking forward about the new individuals that shall appear when the dry season returns, I just wish I knew more about individuals from Cárceres.

About these new Jaguars they seem promising and Xando & Bororo too.

I also wanna see more of Ubiratã and Rabinowitz male.

Speaking of new generation there's also Joujou male from Serra do Amolar - Central Pantanal, I am trying to keep my eyes on him, he was released back in the wild weighing 87 kg and on his first monitoring week he manage to predate on a capybara. I wanna gather much more in Central Pantanal of Serra do Amola so Joujou's recapture is very likely as Gediendson left his collar a bit loose as he'll pack mass so the collar wouldn't drop off. The other area of Central I wanna gather more is of course Acurizal in Central Pantanal which was one of the areas where Dr Crawshaw and Dr Schaller studied jaguars in Pantanal.

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