Comparing Cats: A Discussion of Similarities & Differences

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(10-23-2020, 06:36 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow :

About #318: agree with what you told. If my memory doesn't abuse me, John Varty claimed that lions were unable to crunch a tortoise's shell. We know it's quite wrong, lions can do that as well as tigers do. But if he tested a lion which, perhaps, didn't want to taste the turtle's flesh, then he claims any truth he wants. And they were millions of idiot guys who were going to believe it as a truth.

@"Khan85" gived these bite force figures with a 162 kilos-weighed lion and a 177 kilos-weighed tiger. Perhaps it wouldn't be wrong that a more than 200 kilos-weighed lion's and tiger's bite force would be equal and more important, wouldn't be ?

I have, initially, accomplished a scientific formation too (master of geology), but too many numbers kill the demonstration. We have to learn distancing ourselves from them and keep a modicum of common sense.

To conclude, the biggest felids, tigers and lions, have the most performing bite force. Revolutionary truth isn't it ? As simple as that.

I don't want to be content with simple truth with lot of numbers. There is something which is impalpable for lot of "scientific" people: the animal's personality. And I will never doubt that felids have a huge of that.

John Varty is one person, for sure a lot of knowledge about things, but also controversial person who´s motives can be questioned in some things. He can be telling the truth based on his observations what comes to leopard tortoise. But if he has seen one tiger and one lion trying, it´s naturally not the whole truth. Some other tiger and lion in same situation could give opposite result. Not all individuals get right away everything. But in the end it doesn´t matter what Varty say, because other more reliable sources and different video footages show clearly, that even though not all lions get it, some do and have enough bite force to crack that shell.

Then again there are always a lot of people who believe many things way too easily and don´t use their own brains too much. It has always been so and looks like to be so in future too. Some of course want to spread misinformation on purpose from different motives, which are who knows what. Some just want to win debetes no matter if right or wrong and some are just too obsessed with something and unable to let it go no matter what. Some men kill their girlfriends if girlfriend wants to break up. I have thought time to time that some animal fanatics seem to be with similar kind of mentality. No matter if right or wrong or uncertain, they refuse even try to think certain things with reason. And strong emotional reactions happen so fast, that if they would be sportscars, acceleration from 0-100 km/h would happen in 0,2 seconds.

But maybe that is enough what comes to animal fanatics and unreliable sources.

But when you look at figures and weights mentioned now recently. One very simple calculation, everyone can think themselves if it tells something or not.

Tiger canines: 1472,1:177,8= 8,28
Lion canines: 1314,7:162,2= 8,11

Tiger carnacial eccone: 2164,7:177,8= 12,17
Lion carnacial eccone: 2023,7:162,2= 12,48

I find it interesting, that when dividing bite force result with weight, tiger has better value at tips of the canines and lion then again at carcacial eccone. Study gives better value in both for a tiger, but this "simple mathematics" calculation would suggest, that in similar weight lion would have stronger bite force at carnacial eccone and tiger at tip of the canines. Something what I wouldn´t find surprising at all. Still this simple calculation also gives a very close call. Since for some reason these studies don´t seem to use similar weights (even when possible in between two species) in their examples I´ve found it interesting to make sometimes this kind of comparisons and then compare it with results given in studies. Especially when different studies give a bit different results. I´ve seen at least one study suggesting, that lion would have stronger bite than a tiger, but it had also some odd looking figures involved. 

In the end, both are big game hunters able to kill same kind of prey animals. Bite force is just one minor detail overall. Both have obviously enough of it, if not more than enough. It´s a nasty sound to hear how they sometimes break bones of other animals while biting. Reply