Modern Weights and Measurements of Wild Lions

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(04-04-2020, 08:42 PM)Pckts Wrote:

(04-04-2020, 07:26 PM)Pantherinae Wrote:

(04-04-2020, 10:27 AM)GuateGojira Wrote:

(04-02-2020, 07:23 AM)Pantherinae Wrote: I don’t know about which lions he has seen in the past, but I know he was filming in Savuti. 
Which also has impressive looking males. 

Here is what he said about male lions from the Okavango Delta:
Male lions in the Okavango Delta, a lush wetland where the Okavango River collides with the Kalahari Desert, are the largest lions on Earth, said filmmaker Dereck Joubert. Dereck and his wife, Beverly, both National Geographic explorers-in-residence, made a film about how these male lions survive,

https://www.google.no/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/41584-photos-the-biggest-lions-on-earth.html

Interesting article, so they do mentioned "males". Now, my question is what is the experience of the Jouberts in "size" especifically. I know that they are experts in lion behaviour and ecology and I REALLY respect that. But how many lions had they captured, or what is the point of appreciation to say that those lions were the largest?

I mean, this is the same case as the lions of the Crater and the tigers of Kaziranga and Orang, there are several people in litterature and the web that say that those lions/tigers are the largest, but there are no measurements to prove it. At least we have a couple of measurements from Assam tigers (and they are not exceptionally large in comparison with other Bengal/Nepal populations) and we have chest girth measurements from the Ngorongoro crater (and, again, they are not exceptional compared with populations of lions in Southern Africa region).

So, I don't want to sound "exceptical" but unless they can provide evidence that those lions are really "large", they statement will be just they personal appreciation.


For the moment, my vote for the largest lions are those from South Africa.

All I said was that they where large and capable of reaching those big sizes as other lions do. I think Joubert from over the years can tell if a lion is big or small. However I agree that we need more evidence to back it up about them being the biggest. 

Biggest lions are from Kgalagadi and probably also in Chobe and Etosha, which has migrating lions from the Kalahari. 
Private parks in South Africa has gotten lions from Etosha and Kgalagadi in them as well. Madikwe has a reputation for having very big lions. 
"The lion in Madikwe were originally introduced into the park from Etosha National Park (in Namibia).  However, recently two new males were introduced from the Kgalahadi Transfrontier National Park in order to introduce new genes into the pool."
https://www.madikwegamereserve.co.za/big-5/ 
Who knows, but I just don’t see Kruger lions being that big.

I agree on Kruger Lions or S. African Lions in general.
None impress the way the big hippo/buffalo killers of East Africa do imo. 
But S. Africans do seem taller in frame.

I agree Kruger lions have an impressive frame, but on bulk and muscle the seem inferior to Chobe and Kgalagadi males which I can’t see being smaller in frame. 
Yes Notch boys where larger in every way except maybe height than the largest Kruger lion I have seen at least. 
The more normal Mara males I saw however was not that impressive, and I might say a more average looking Kruger Lion was tad bigger, this is ofc just my opinion, but I really wanna see lions from Kgalagadi and Chobe, I think they are bigger. 
Also with hyenas, zebra and wildebeest in perticular they where all much smaller in East Africa than South Africa. Reply