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(01-04-2019, 11:17 PM)parvez Wrote: @Shadow gaur isn't 770 kgs. Myanmar gaur is huge and junglemen of these area drag 150 kgs deer carcass not with much difficulty indicating the gaur weighed around 2 tons or even more. That's why 13 men could not move it at all. It tells a lot about the strength of the tiger in realistic terms. Thank you
There was said 1700 pounds which is 770 kg. I have never seen a gaur weighing 2000 kg. Anyway I think, that Corbett exaggerates tiger strength quite a lot. Like carrying a cow so, that not hitting ground :) Tiger is strong, but not that strong. Many of those things were gross exaggeration. I mean, I have never seen any animal doing something like that.
Just looking footage there is and comparing to some statements show how big contradiction there is. And when contradiction is too big, I believe what I can see on videos.
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(12-15-2016, 06:54 AM)Polar Wrote: The following is of a tiger biting a tractor tire (weighs anywhere from 400-700 pounds) and flipping it. Not really a good representation of a big cat's strength since it is built differently, but anyway:
Video of a man showing the bite strength of a white tiger Solano. The tiger nearly bit through the bull skull completely and detached the horns only with bites:
Captive tiger flinging human mannequin like a ragdoll, with just its jaws:
Sorry to say this, but that tyre in first video.... it was bare tyre without steel wheel and not at all difficult to lift. 400 pounds already is exaggeration. 70-150 lbs might be quite close for front tyres of tractor depending about model.
Strength of animals is interesting topic, but realism is needed also. Back tyres of tractors are then different thing.
Actually tires are quite heavy, back in my strongman training days we used to flip a few different tires, our large tire which we named "junk" because it was so beat up is 900lbs, we used to flip another that was 750lbs, both larger than the Tire the tiger is flipping but still, that tire is large and could be around the 400lb mark, or close to it.
Tigers are big, they'll make large tires look smaller but I've seen enough of them to compare there usually size with that tire and I wouldn't be surprised if it's around 400lbs.
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01-05-2019, 01:21 AM( This post was last modified: 01-05-2019, 01:28 AM by Shadow )
(01-05-2019, 01:02 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 03:15 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(12-15-2016, 06:54 AM)Polar Wrote: The following is of a tiger biting a tractor tire (weighs anywhere from 400-700 pounds) and flipping it. Not really a good representation of a big cat's strength since it is built differently, but anyway:
Video of a man showing the bite strength of a white tiger Solano. The tiger nearly bit through the bull skull completely and detached the horns only with bites:
Captive tiger flinging human mannequin like a ragdoll, with just its jaws:
Sorry to say this, but that tyre in first video.... it was bare tyre without steel wheel and not at all difficult to lift. 400 pounds already is exaggeration. 70-150 lbs might be quite close for front tyres of tractor depending about model.
Strength of animals is interesting topic, but realism is needed also. Back tyres of tractors are then different thing.
Actually tires are quite heavy, back in my strongman training days we used to flip a few different tires, our large tire which we named "junk" because it was so beat up is 900lbs, we used to flip another that was 750lbs, both larger than the Tire the tiger is flipping but still, that tire is large and could be around the 400lb mark, or close to it.
Tigers are big, they'll make large tires look smaller but I've seen enough of them to compare there usually size with that tire and I wouldn't be surprised if it's around 400lbs.
That tire was just about a meter high, you can see it when it is there with that tiger. So max. 150 lbs. Back tyres of tractors are heavier, and I have seen quite a few tractors and tyres for those. So nowhere near of 400 lbs.
You can check weights also from some manufacturers if you don´t believe me, many sites have information about tyre weights. But just look at tiger shoulder height and tyre, that tyre was not "heavy weight".
(12-15-2016, 06:54 AM)Polar Wrote: The following is of a tiger biting a tractor tire (weighs anywhere from 400-700 pounds) and flipping it. Not really a good representation of a big cat's strength since it is built differently, but anyway:
Video of a man showing the bite strength of a white tiger Solano. The tiger nearly bit through the bull skull completely and detached the horns only with bites:
Captive tiger flinging human mannequin like a ragdoll, with just its jaws:
Sorry to say this, but that tyre in first video.... it was bare tyre without steel wheel and not at all difficult to lift. 400 pounds already is exaggeration. 70-150 lbs might be quite close for front tyres of tractor depending about model.
Strength of animals is interesting topic, but realism is needed also. Back tyres of tractors are then different thing.
Actually tires are quite heavy, back in my strongman training days we used to flip a few different tires, our large tire which we named "junk" because it was so beat up is 900lbs, we used to flip another that was 750lbs, both larger than the Tire the tiger is flipping but still, that tire is large and could be around the 400lb mark, or close to it.
Tigers are big, they'll make large tires look smaller but I've seen enough of them to compare there usually size with that tire and I wouldn't be surprised if it's around 400lbs.
That tire was just about a meter high, you can see it when it is there with that tiger. So max. 150 lbs. Back tyres of tractors are heavier, and I have seen quite a few tractors and tyres for those. So nowhere near pf 400 lbs.
You can check weights also from some manufacturers if you don´t believe me, many sites have also information about tyre weights. But just look at tiger shoulder height and tyre, that tyre was not "heavy weight".
Tigers are 3'-4' at the shoulder and that tire is taller than the Tiger even when the Tiger has it's head raised, so it'll be taller than a meter most likely.
But it doesn't have the girth of the Tractor Tires so I agree, it's probably more along the 150-200lb range.
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01-05-2019, 01:43 AM( This post was last modified: 01-05-2019, 02:07 AM by Shadow )
(01-05-2019, 01:27 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(01-05-2019, 01:21 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-05-2019, 01:02 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 03:15 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(12-15-2016, 06:54 AM)Polar Wrote: The following is of a tiger biting a tractor tire (weighs anywhere from 400-700 pounds) and flipping it. Not really a good representation of a big cat's strength since it is built differently, but anyway:
Video of a man showing the bite strength of a white tiger Solano. The tiger nearly bit through the bull skull completely and detached the horns only with bites:
Captive tiger flinging human mannequin like a ragdoll, with just its jaws:
Sorry to say this, but that tyre in first video.... it was bare tyre without steel wheel and not at all difficult to lift. 400 pounds already is exaggeration. 70-150 lbs might be quite close for front tyres of tractor depending about model.
Strength of animals is interesting topic, but realism is needed also. Back tyres of tractors are then different thing.
Actually tires are quite heavy, back in my strongman training days we used to flip a few different tires, our large tire which we named "junk" because it was so beat up is 900lbs, we used to flip another that was 750lbs, both larger than the Tire the tiger is flipping but still, that tire is large and could be around the 400lb mark, or close to it.
Tigers are big, they'll make large tires look smaller but I've seen enough of them to compare there usually size with that tire and I wouldn't be surprised if it's around 400lbs.
That tire was just about a meter high, you can see it when it is there with that tiger. So max. 150 lbs. Back tyres of tractors are heavier, and I have seen quite a few tractors and tyres for those. So nowhere near pf 400 lbs.
You can check weights also from some manufacturers if you don´t believe me, many sites have also information about tyre weights. But just look at tiger shoulder height and tyre, that tyre was not "heavy weight".
Tigers are 3'-4' at the shoulder and that tire is taller than the Tiger even when the Tiger has it's head raised, so it'll be taller than a meter most likely.
But it doesn't have the girth of the Tractor Tires so I agree, it's probably more along the 150-200lb range.
Yes, that tiger is not in straight line, anyway about a meter +- something means front tyre of quite normal tractor. Something people living in farms handle without any problems. I have some experience on that field too when younger No need for stongmen there even though some were quite strong too.
There is no doubt, that tiger is very strong animal. I am just curious about reality. Jim Corbett for instance gives a lot of stories... but I think, that I am not only one, who doesn´t take all what he say as most credible source. I am just reading book "Tiger! Tale of Indian tiger" by Kailash Sankhala and I noticed, that he is one of those who doesn´t take all, what for instance Corbett writes, too seriously. Hunters have bad habit to exaggerate their prey in many ways to glorify themselves as great hunters or justify killing tigers by exaggerating how much they kill people... and many other things.
I like to discuss about things in realistic level and compare what is told, to that what can be proven. Or is there any footage or photos to give a hint, that what might be in possible limits. Stories like bear decapitating a moose with one swipe of paw are just..... well, impossible is impossible, no matter how it is told :)
(12-15-2016, 06:54 AM)Polar Wrote: The following is of a tiger biting a tractor tire (weighs anywhere from 400-700 pounds) and flipping it. Not really a good representation of a big cat's strength since it is built differently, but anyway:
Video of a man showing the bite strength of a white tiger Solano. The tiger nearly bit through the bull skull completely and detached the horns only with bites:
Captive tiger flinging human mannequin like a ragdoll, with just its jaws:
Sorry to say this, but that tyre in first video.... it was bare tyre without steel wheel and not at all difficult to lift. 400 pounds already is exaggeration. 70-150 lbs might be quite close for front tyres of tractor depending about model.
Strength of animals is interesting topic, but realism is needed also. Back tyres of tractors are then different thing.
Actually tires are quite heavy, back in my strongman training days we used to flip a few different tires, our large tire which we named "junk" because it was so beat up is 900lbs, we used to flip another that was 750lbs, both larger than the Tire the tiger is flipping but still, that tire is large and could be around the 400lb mark, or close to it.
Tigers are big, they'll make large tires look smaller but I've seen enough of them to compare there usually size with that tire and I wouldn't be surprised if it's around 400lbs.
That tire was just about a meter high, you can see it when it is there with that tiger. So max. 150 lbs. Back tyres of tractors are heavier, and I have seen quite a few tractors and tyres for those. So nowhere near pf 400 lbs.
You can check weights also from some manufacturers if you don´t believe me, many sites have also information about tyre weights. But just look at tiger shoulder height and tyre, that tyre was not "heavy weight".
Tigers are 3'-4' at the shoulder and that tire is taller than the Tiger even when the Tiger has it's head raised, so it'll be taller than a meter most likely.
But it doesn't have the girth of the Tractor Tires so I agree, it's probably more along the 150-200lb range.
Yes, that tiger is not in straight line, anyway about a meter +- something means front tyre of quite normal tractor. Something people living in farms handle without any problems. I have some experience on that field too when younger No need for stongmen there even though some were quite strong too.
There is no doubt, that tiger is very strong animal. I am just curious about reality. Jim Corbett for instance gives a lot of stories... but I think, that I am not only one, who doesn´t take all what he say as most credible source. I am just reading book "Tiger! Tale of Indian tiger" by Kailash Sankhala and I noticed, that he is one of those who doesn´t take all, what for instance Corbett writes, too seriously. Hunters have bad habit to exaggerate their prey in many ways to glorify themselves as great hunters or justify killing tigers by exaggerating how much they kill people... and many other things.
I like to discuss about things in realistic level and compare what is told to it, that what can be proven. Or is there any footage or photos to give a hint, that what might be in possible limits. Stories like bear decapitating a moose with one swipe of paw are just..... well, impossible is impossible, no matter how it is told :)
It depends on what your preconceived notions are, if you come into it thinking that they can break a moose neck with a single swipe you'll probably be disappointed.
*This image is copyright of its original author
Like you, I have a tough time believing this ^^^
But stories of big cats breaking the necks of big bovines are real and IMO equally impressive.
*This image is copyright of its original author
" ... It was a very large wild male buffalo, and he was lying on his side, the head underneath his body and the horns sticking in the ground (...). It looked like the tiger had broken his neck with a single grip. The grip was such, that the heavy body also was thrown over. A tiger able to kill a buffalo of about a thousand kg (about 2200 lbs.) in such an easy way, had to have unimaginable power ... " (pp. 169).
Bergs "The Killer of Men"
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(12-15-2016, 06:54 AM)Polar Wrote: The following is of a tiger biting a tractor tire (weighs anywhere from 400-700 pounds) and flipping it. Not really a good representation of a big cat's strength since it is built differently, but anyway:
Video of a man showing the bite strength of a white tiger Solano. The tiger nearly bit through the bull skull completely and detached the horns only with bites:
Captive tiger flinging human mannequin like a ragdoll, with just its jaws:
Sorry to say this, but that tyre in first video.... it was bare tyre without steel wheel and not at all difficult to lift. 400 pounds already is exaggeration. 70-150 lbs might be quite close for front tyres of tractor depending about model.
Strength of animals is interesting topic, but realism is needed also. Back tyres of tractors are then different thing.
Actually tires are quite heavy, back in my strongman training days we used to flip a few different tires, our large tire which we named "junk" because it was so beat up is 900lbs, we used to flip another that was 750lbs, both larger than the Tire the tiger is flipping but still, that tire is large and could be around the 400lb mark, or close to it.
Tigers are big, they'll make large tires look smaller but I've seen enough of them to compare there usually size with that tire and I wouldn't be surprised if it's around 400lbs.
That tire was just about a meter high, you can see it when it is there with that tiger. So max. 150 lbs. Back tyres of tractors are heavier, and I have seen quite a few tractors and tyres for those. So nowhere near pf 400 lbs.
You can check weights also from some manufacturers if you don´t believe me, many sites have also information about tyre weights. But just look at tiger shoulder height and tyre, that tyre was not "heavy weight".
Tigers are 3'-4' at the shoulder and that tire is taller than the Tiger even when the Tiger has it's head raised, so it'll be taller than a meter most likely.
But it doesn't have the girth of the Tractor Tires so I agree, it's probably more along the 150-200lb range.
Yes, that tiger is not in straight line, anyway about a meter +- something means front tyre of quite normal tractor. Something people living in farms handle without any problems. I have some experience on that field too when younger No need for stongmen there even though some were quite strong too.
There is no doubt, that tiger is very strong animal. I am just curious about reality. Jim Corbett for instance gives a lot of stories... but I think, that I am not only one, who doesn´t take all what he say as most credible source. I am just reading book "Tiger! Tale of Indian tiger" by Kailash Sankhala and I noticed, that he is one of those who doesn´t take all, what for instance Corbett writes, too seriously. Hunters have bad habit to exaggerate their prey in many ways to glorify themselves as great hunters or justify killing tigers by exaggerating how much they kill people... and many other things.
I like to discuss about things in realistic level and compare what is told to it, that what can be proven. Or is there any footage or photos to give a hint, that what might be in possible limits. Stories like bear decapitating a moose with one swipe of paw are just..... well, impossible is impossible, no matter how it is told :)
It depends on what your preconceived notions are, if you come into it thinking that they can break a moose neck with a single swipe you'll probably be disappointed.
*This image is copyright of its original author
Like you, I have a tough time believing this ^^^
But stories of big cats breaking the necks of big bovines are real and IMO equally impressive.
*This image is copyright of its original author
" ... It was a very large wild male buffalo, and he was lying on his side, the head underneath his body and the horns sticking in the ground (...). It looked like the tiger had broken his neck with a single grip. The grip was such, that the heavy body also was thrown over. A tiger able to kill a buffalo of about a thousand kg (about 2200 lbs.) in such an easy way, had to have unimaginable power ... " (pp. 169).
Bergs "The Killer of Men"
Yes I am also sure, that tigers, lions and bears are able to break cervical vertebrae of quite big animals with paw swipe , when really landing it in optimal angle and full force. It has been observed many times, that a bear has broken moose neck, I think, that more often it happens in "wrestling" than swiping with paw though. I mentioned decapitating because wildest stories have claimed, that bear has swiped so, that moose head has been flying in air One story even claimed, that they made autopsy to one moose after such incident. Funny to notice, that when trying to look closer, there is no town, no name for people who are said to witness what happened. No name for any doctor, no name for place for autopsy etc... no nothing.
But what comes to dragging carcasses, all footage what I have seen indicates, that these animals are strong and able to drag heavy carcasses for some distance, but not miles, like some stories say. Tigers and lions can run with full speed distances up to 100 meters.... there is no logic if telling, that suddenly this sprinter drags something heavy uphill 2 miles in tough terrain. When looking available footage so far, they never drag anything heavy uphill, some deer maybe, but not big carcasses.
01-05-2019, 02:33 AM( This post was last modified: 01-05-2019, 02:34 AM by Shadow )
(01-05-2019, 01:53 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(01-05-2019, 01:43 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-05-2019, 01:27 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(01-05-2019, 01:21 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(01-05-2019, 01:02 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(01-02-2019, 03:15 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(12-15-2016, 06:54 AM)Polar Wrote: The following is of a tiger biting a tractor tire (weighs anywhere from 400-700 pounds) and flipping it. Not really a good representation of a big cat's strength since it is built differently, but anyway:
Video of a man showing the bite strength of a white tiger Solano. The tiger nearly bit through the bull skull completely and detached the horns only with bites:
Captive tiger flinging human mannequin like a ragdoll, with just its jaws:
Sorry to say this, but that tyre in first video.... it was bare tyre without steel wheel and not at all difficult to lift. 400 pounds already is exaggeration. 70-150 lbs might be quite close for front tyres of tractor depending about model.
Strength of animals is interesting topic, but realism is needed also. Back tyres of tractors are then different thing.
Actually tires are quite heavy, back in my strongman training days we used to flip a few different tires, our large tire which we named "junk" because it was so beat up is 900lbs, we used to flip another that was 750lbs, both larger than the Tire the tiger is flipping but still, that tire is large and could be around the 400lb mark, or close to it.
Tigers are big, they'll make large tires look smaller but I've seen enough of them to compare there usually size with that tire and I wouldn't be surprised if it's around 400lbs.
That tire was just about a meter high, you can see it when it is there with that tiger. So max. 150 lbs. Back tyres of tractors are heavier, and I have seen quite a few tractors and tyres for those. So nowhere near pf 400 lbs.
You can check weights also from some manufacturers if you don´t believe me, many sites have also information about tyre weights. But just look at tiger shoulder height and tyre, that tyre was not "heavy weight".
Tigers are 3'-4' at the shoulder and that tire is taller than the Tiger even when the Tiger has it's head raised, so it'll be taller than a meter most likely.
But it doesn't have the girth of the Tractor Tires so I agree, it's probably more along the 150-200lb range.
Yes, that tiger is not in straight line, anyway about a meter +- something means front tyre of quite normal tractor. Something people living in farms handle without any problems. I have some experience on that field too when younger No need for stongmen there even though some were quite strong too.
There is no doubt, that tiger is very strong animal. I am just curious about reality. Jim Corbett for instance gives a lot of stories... but I think, that I am not only one, who doesn´t take all what he say as most credible source. I am just reading book "Tiger! Tale of Indian tiger" by Kailash Sankhala and I noticed, that he is one of those who doesn´t take all, what for instance Corbett writes, too seriously. Hunters have bad habit to exaggerate their prey in many ways to glorify themselves as great hunters or justify killing tigers by exaggerating how much they kill people... and many other things.
I like to discuss about things in realistic level and compare what is told to it, that what can be proven. Or is there any footage or photos to give a hint, that what might be in possible limits. Stories like bear decapitating a moose with one swipe of paw are just..... well, impossible is impossible, no matter how it is told :)
It depends on what your preconceived notions are, if you come into it thinking that they can break a moose neck with a single swipe you'll probably be disappointed.
*This image is copyright of its original author
Like you, I have a tough time believing this ^^^
But stories of big cats breaking the necks of big bovines are real and IMO equally impressive.
*This image is copyright of its original author
" ... It was a very large wild male buffalo, and he was lying on his side, the head underneath his body and the horns sticking in the ground (...). It looked like the tiger had broken his neck with a single grip. The grip was such, that the heavy body also was thrown over. A tiger able to kill a buffalo of about a thousand kg (about 2200 lbs.) in such an easy way, had to have unimaginable power ... " (pp. 169).
Bergs "The Killer of Men"
But what comes to "heavy body was thrown over", I think, that something like this happens, when tiger makes attack and then forces animal to fall head first. For sure sometimes neck is broken when falling in high speed with 200 kg of big cat hanging on there. Of course sometimes tiger can cause directly that. But it is quite difficult for bovine to keep balance if predator gets a good grip.
(12-15-2016, 06:54 AM)Polar Wrote: The following is of a tiger biting a tractor tire (weighs anywhere from 400-700 pounds) and flipping it. Not really a good representation of a big cat's strength since it is built differently, but anyway:
Video of a man showing the bite strength of a white tiger Solano. The tiger nearly bit through the bull skull completely and detached the horns only with bites:
Captive tiger flinging human mannequin like a ragdoll, with just its jaws:
Sorry to say this, but that tyre in first video.... it was bare tyre without steel wheel and not at all difficult to lift. 400 pounds already is exaggeration. 70-150 lbs might be quite close for front tyres of tractor depending about model.
Strength of animals is interesting topic, but realism is needed also. Back tyres of tractors are then different thing.
Actually tires are quite heavy, back in my strongman training days we used to flip a few different tires, our large tire which we named "junk" because it was so beat up is 900lbs, we used to flip another that was 750lbs, both larger than the Tire the tiger is flipping but still, that tire is large and could be around the 400lb mark, or close to it.
Tigers are big, they'll make large tires look smaller but I've seen enough of them to compare there usually size with that tire and I wouldn't be surprised if it's around 400lbs.
That tire was just about a meter high, you can see it when it is there with that tiger. So max. 150 lbs. Back tyres of tractors are heavier, and I have seen quite a few tractors and tyres for those. So nowhere near pf 400 lbs.
You can check weights also from some manufacturers if you don´t believe me, many sites have also information about tyre weights. But just look at tiger shoulder height and tyre, that tyre was not "heavy weight".
Tigers are 3'-4' at the shoulder and that tire is taller than the Tiger even when the Tiger has it's head raised, so it'll be taller than a meter most likely.
But it doesn't have the girth of the Tractor Tires so I agree, it's probably more along the 150-200lb range.
Yes, that tiger is not in straight line, anyway about a meter +- something means front tyre of quite normal tractor. Something people living in farms handle without any problems. I have some experience on that field too when younger No need for stongmen there even though some were quite strong too.
There is no doubt, that tiger is very strong animal. I am just curious about reality. Jim Corbett for instance gives a lot of stories... but I think, that I am not only one, who doesn´t take all what he say as most credible source. I am just reading book "Tiger! Tale of Indian tiger" by Kailash Sankhala and I noticed, that he is one of those who doesn´t take all, what for instance Corbett writes, too seriously. Hunters have bad habit to exaggerate their prey in many ways to glorify themselves as great hunters or justify killing tigers by exaggerating how much they kill people... and many other things.
I like to discuss about things in realistic level and compare what is told to it, that what can be proven. Or is there any footage or photos to give a hint, that what might be in possible limits. Stories like bear decapitating a moose with one swipe of paw are just..... well, impossible is impossible, no matter how it is told :)
It depends on what your preconceived notions are, if you come into it thinking that they can break a moose neck with a single swipe you'll probably be disappointed.
*This image is copyright of its original author
Like you, I have a tough time believing this ^^^
But stories of big cats breaking the necks of big bovines are real and IMO equally impressive.
*This image is copyright of its original author
" ... It was a very large wild male buffalo, and he was lying on his side, the head underneath his body and the horns sticking in the ground (...). It looked like the tiger had broken his neck with a single grip. The grip was such, that the heavy body also was thrown over. A tiger able to kill a buffalo of about a thousand kg (about 2200 lbs.) in such an easy way, had to have unimaginable power ... " (pp. 169).
Bergs "The Killer of Men"
But what comes to "heavy body was thrown over", I think, that something like this happens, when tiger makes attack and then forces animal to fall head first. For sure sometimes neck is broken when falling in high speed with 200 kg of big cat hanging on there. Of course sometimes tiger can cause directly that. But it is quite difficult for bovine to keep balance if predator gets a good grip.
If I recall correctly, this Tiger was notorious for breaking the necks of large bulls, usually leaving their horns jammed into the dirt. Most likely a learned technique but still requiring immense strength to do so.
*This image is copyright of its original author
Another account of a similar killing technique
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
In regards to a drag, obviously they will not be dragging a large carcass that far and the terrain will play a huge role, but they are capable and have dragged carcasses quite far.
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In fact when I was in Kanha, there was a Gaur carcass that I could only smell but the guides said that Chota Munna had killed this Gaur a few days prior and dragged it to where it lays now, they said he had dragged it quite far from where the kill took place and Kanha is very hilly and some places have dense brush so I know the feat wasn't something to scoff at.
Having seen big Gaur and Cape Bulls in person I still am shocked that these cats can make those kills since they are so outsized but they do.
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(01-05-2019, 01:53 AM)Pckts Wrote:
(01-05-2019, 01:43 AM)Shadow Wrote:
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(01-02-2019, 03:15 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(12-15-2016, 06:54 AM)Polar Wrote: The following is of a tiger biting a tractor tire (weighs anywhere from 400-700 pounds) and flipping it. Not really a good representation of a big cat's strength since it is built differently, but anyway:
Video of a man showing the bite strength of a white tiger Solano. The tiger nearly bit through the bull skull completely and detached the horns only with bites:
Captive tiger flinging human mannequin like a ragdoll, with just its jaws:
Sorry to say this, but that tyre in first video.... it was bare tyre without steel wheel and not at all difficult to lift. 400 pounds already is exaggeration. 70-150 lbs might be quite close for front tyres of tractor depending about model.
Strength of animals is interesting topic, but realism is needed also. Back tyres of tractors are then different thing.
Actually tires are quite heavy, back in my strongman training days we used to flip a few different tires, our large tire which we named "junk" because it was so beat up is 900lbs, we used to flip another that was 750lbs, both larger than the Tire the tiger is flipping but still, that tire is large and could be around the 400lb mark, or close to it.
Tigers are big, they'll make large tires look smaller but I've seen enough of them to compare there usually size with that tire and I wouldn't be surprised if it's around 400lbs.
That tire was just about a meter high, you can see it when it is there with that tiger. So max. 150 lbs. Back tyres of tractors are heavier, and I have seen quite a few tractors and tyres for those. So nowhere near pf 400 lbs.
You can check weights also from some manufacturers if you don´t believe me, many sites have also information about tyre weights. But just look at tiger shoulder height and tyre, that tyre was not "heavy weight".
Tigers are 3'-4' at the shoulder and that tire is taller than the Tiger even when the Tiger has it's head raised, so it'll be taller than a meter most likely.
But it doesn't have the girth of the Tractor Tires so I agree, it's probably more along the 150-200lb range.
Yes, that tiger is not in straight line, anyway about a meter +- something means front tyre of quite normal tractor. Something people living in farms handle without any problems. I have some experience on that field too when younger No need for stongmen there even though some were quite strong too.
There is no doubt, that tiger is very strong animal. I am just curious about reality. Jim Corbett for instance gives a lot of stories... but I think, that I am not only one, who doesn´t take all what he say as most credible source. I am just reading book "Tiger! Tale of Indian tiger" by Kailash Sankhala and I noticed, that he is one of those who doesn´t take all, what for instance Corbett writes, too seriously. Hunters have bad habit to exaggerate their prey in many ways to glorify themselves as great hunters or justify killing tigers by exaggerating how much they kill people... and many other things.
I like to discuss about things in realistic level and compare what is told to it, that what can be proven. Or is there any footage or photos to give a hint, that what might be in possible limits. Stories like bear decapitating a moose with one swipe of paw are just..... well, impossible is impossible, no matter how it is told :)
It depends on what your preconceived notions are, if you come into it thinking that they can break a moose neck with a single swipe you'll probably be disappointed.
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Like you, I have a tough time believing this ^^^
But stories of big cats breaking the necks of big bovines are real and IMO equally impressive.
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" ... It was a very large wild male buffalo, and he was lying on his side, the head underneath his body and the horns sticking in the ground (...). It looked like the tiger had broken his neck with a single grip. The grip was such, that the heavy body also was thrown over. A tiger able to kill a buffalo of about a thousand kg (about 2200 lbs.) in such an easy way, had to have unimaginable power ... " (pp. 169).
Bergs "The Killer of Men"
But what comes to "heavy body was thrown over", I think, that something like this happens, when tiger makes attack and then forces animal to fall head first. For sure sometimes neck is broken when falling in high speed with 200 kg of big cat hanging on there. Of course sometimes tiger can cause directly that. But it is quite difficult for bovine to keep balance if predator gets a good grip.
If I recall correctly, this Tiger was notorious for breaking the necks of large bulls, usually leaving their horns jammed into the dirt. Most likely a learned technique but still requiring immense strength to do so.
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Another account of a similar killing technique
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In regards to a drag, obviously they will not be dragging a large carcass that far and the terrain will play a huge role, but they are capable and have dragged carcasses quite far.
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In fact when I was in Kanha, there was a Gaur carcass that I could only smell but the guides said that Chota Munna had killed this Gaur a few days prior and dragged it to where it lays now, they said he had dragged it quite far from where the kill took place and Kanha is very hilly and some places have dense brush so I know the feat wasn't something to scoff at.
Having seen big Gaur and Cape Bulls in person I still am shocked that these cats can make those kills since they are so outsized but they do.
Yes, these animals are able to make impressive kills. That is quite much in line what come to that lion study That one giving results, that muscle fibers of lions were 3 times stronger than same fibers in us, humans. When thinking lions and tigers, weighing about 200 kg and with way stronger muscles than us, these cases seem to be in line with that what can be expected. I assume, that that lion study gives to us quite good picture about tigers too what comes to strength. Both show time to time ability to do very impressive kills.
(01-04-2019, 11:29 PM)Shadow Wrote: In this video is a cow, weight 1400 kg, shoulder height 194 cm.
I bet, that no tiger would drag this one anywhere, I think, that not even biggest bear there is would move this more than a meter :)
Honestly, I am 100% sure the largest bear can easily drag more than twice or thrice that weight with no sweat. There is a video on the "Bear Strength" where a polar bear was dragging a dead, bloody walrus, and that walrus appeared to be 2 to 3 times heavier than the bear.
No need for stongmen there even though some were quite strong too. 
One story even claimed, that they made autopsy to one moose after such incident. Funny to notice, that when trying to look closer, there is no town, no name for people who are said to witness what happened. No name for any doctor, no name for place for autopsy etc... no nothing.
