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When anyone here is looking first posting of this thread and looking that average weight given to Kodiak bears, you can check here Kodiak bear chart from Troyer-Hensel and see what is given average weight for male Kodiak Bears age 8-9 years old. Just coincidence, that exactly 835 lbs?
 Then you can look at text attached to that chart and I leave it up to everyone decide themselves if it sounds fair calculation to take out from that average weight 40% as fat. I personally can´t take that calculation seriously. I don´t know which one is stronger pound to pound, but I find that 40% out of that average weight with available information there to be without any real justification. Maybe 5-10% might be ok. But as said, everyone can make up their own mind and how reliable they see what Vegeta San say. There are charts and explanations.  (12-31-2018, 10:40 PM)Rishi Wrote: Yes, finally. Thank you @Rishi : Happy new year for all of you and I welcome your future posts !  (12-31-2018, 11:35 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Panther/Vegeta - having the last word does not make you right. And you're not. Sure (12-31-2018, 11:37 PM)Shadow Wrote: When anyone here is looking first posting of this thread and looking that average weight given to Kodiak bears, you can check here Kodiak bear chart from Troyer-Hensel and see what is given average weight for male Kodiak Bears age 8-9 years old. Just coincidence, that exactly 835 lbs? Let me ask you one thing clearly @Shadow! How do you know, those three bears are included in this average? Just because of the number "1190lb" matching with it? I don't think so. Also why would troyer hensel take least weights for average instead of full weights of fall bears? Apart from that, the 40% fat study is based on Yellowstone grizzlies, who regularly hunt moose and elk. The Alaskan Brown bears are even fatter, which I already proven on king of bears thread.. (12-31-2018, 11:53 PM)Panther Wrote:(12-31-2018, 11:35 PM)brotherbear Wrote: Panther/Vegeta - having the last word does not make you right. And you're not. I have nothing more to say at this point. I don´t see your claims convincing, too much inaccurate calculations and open questions for me. I showed publicly what I criticize, discussing with you then again is waste of time, because you never admit any mistakes, which you make, no matter how clear those are. So as I said, everyone can read what is written and think themselves. So good luck for you in that path you have chosen. Now I go to see some fireworks :) Once again Happy New Year for everyone!!! (01-01-2019, 12:04 AM)Shadow Wrote: I have nothing more to say at this point. I don´t see your claims convincing, too much inaccurate calculations and open questions for me. I showed publicly what I criticize, discussing with you then again is waste of time, because you never admit any mistakes, which you make, no matter how clear those are. So as I said, everyone can read what is written and think themselves. Of course it is not convincing to you, no matter how clear they're. Also "too much inaccurate calculations"? Prove me where? Throwing words, because my calculations is not coinciding with your bias means nothing. When I ask you a straightforward question, you're ducking to the side ways. With a recorded "Im not convinced"? You made a claim that, the average is taken fron 3 spring individuals. So you had to prove it. Otherwise, your claim holds no water!
Apart from that! People viewing this topic will see the truth. That Alaskan Brown bears are fatter than typical Yellowstone Grizzly.
Listen guys, there's a fat-bear weak.. "This is the very fattest bear in Katmai National Park The “fat bear week” competition in Alaska’s Katmai National Park, explained.
:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/61706269/44382577324_a5fb622fab_o.0.jpg) *This image is copyright of its original author Katmai National Park’s bear 409 (aka “Beadnose”) won the 2018 competition for fattest bear. According to the park, when “she is not raising cubs, this bear is usually one of the fattest females.” NPS Photo/A. Ramos Katmai National Park & Preserve in Alaska wanted the public to weigh in on a very important question: Which of the park’s fat brown bears has gotten the fattest after a summer of nearly nonstop gorging on salmon? Was it Bear 747, who this year truly represented the jet which shares his name? Use the slider to see what 747 looked like in June, near the beginning of the salmon run in the park’s Brooks River. And now look at him two months later on the right. “Is that a bear, or a hippopotamus?” Katmai’s Facebook page asks.  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author [b]Katmai National Park & Preserve[/b] Or 409, aka “Beadnose”? Her cubs left her to go off on their own earlier this year, the park reports, “and since then this gigantic gal has only expanded her marvelous muffin top.”  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author [b]Katmai National Park & Preserve[/b] After a day of the public voting on Facebook, Katmai has declared a winner: It’s Beadnose, a whose salmon gorge has fashioned her body into a massive almost-sphere. “When [Beadnose] is not raising cubs,” Katmai National Park writes in her bio, “this bear is usually one of the fattest females.” Take it as a win for working moms. /cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13247797/Image_from_iOS.jpg) *This image is copyright of its original author Katmai National Park & Preserve The contest culminates Katmai’s annual “Fat Bear Week” where the park asks the public to vote — March Madness style — on pairs of bears that have gone girthy during the annual salmon feeding frenzy in preparation for the winter hibernation months. Each day of the week, ending today “Fat Bear Tuesday,” had a round of competition. Scroll down to see all the other bears Beadnose beat out. Katmai insists “there’s no fat shaming here.” Instead, the competition is a celebration of this natural cycle, and a chance to show off the vitality of these enormous, magnificent creatures." https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/science-and-health/2018/10/9/17955432/fat-bear-week-katmai-national-park-409-747-salmon 
She says bears are stronger than big cats. Panther/Vegeta calls her a fake: https://www.eeb.ucla.edu/indivfaculty.ph...tyKey=1620
According to Panther/Vegeta, this man could not possibly be strong - he has fat content.
https://www.sports-reference.com/olympic...yev-1.html Soviet weightlifter Vasily Alekseyev is usually considered the greatest super-heavyweight lifter in history. Alekseyev, who took up weightlifting at the age of 18, when starting to study at the Arkhangelsk State Technical University, was unbeatable from 1970 to 1978. In 1966, Alekseyev moved to Shakhty, Rostov and started to train under [Rudolf Plyukfelder], but did not rose to prominence until after 1968, when he developed his own unique training methods and started to train without a coach. During his career, Alekseyev won gold medals at the 1972 and 1976 Olympic Games and won eight successive gold medals at the World Championships (1970-1977), which equaled the record of Americans [John Davis] and [Tommy Kono]. He also won eight European titles (1970-1975, 1977, 1978). Domestically, Alekseyev won seven Soviet titles (1970-1976) and a bronze in 1968. He also won the Soviet Cup in 1970, 1972 and 1974. Between 1970 and 1977, Alekseyev set 80 super-heavyweight world records â 17 in the press, four in the snatch, 32 in the clean & jerk, and 27 in the total lift. He once stated that his goal was to set 100 world records and as Alekseyev received bonuses for each world record, he craftily broke each record by the smallest of margins, making it easier for him to break the record again in the future. Alekseyev was finally defeated at the 1978 World Championships when he competed while injured and did not medal. After recovering from the injury, Alekseyev tried a comeback at the 1980 Olympic Games, but failed to make a successful lift in the snatch and then retired from competition for good. After retirement from competition, Alekseyev worked as a weightlifting coach in Shakhty. He was head coach of the Soviet national weightlifting team from 1990-92, and in 1992 he was also the head coach of the Unified Teamâs Olympic weightlifting team. In 1993, Alekseyev was elected to the International Weightlifting Federation Hall of Fame. He was married to a woman aptly named Olimpiada and had two sons, Sergey, who is a procurer and Dmitry, a businessman who also did weightlifting in his youth, having placed fourth at the 1988 Soviet championships. (01-01-2019, 12:19 AM)brotherbear Wrote: She says bears are stronger than big cats. Panther/Vegeta calls her a fake: https://www.eeb.ucla.edu/indivfaculty.ph...tyKey=1620 Where did? (01-01-2019, 12:24 AM)brotherbear Wrote: According to Panther/Vegeta, this man could not possibly be strong - he has fat content. Read my first post once again properly, brotherbear! Fat is not the only reason why I said Brown bears aren't stronger than tigers on average. The main reason is the muscle fibers. Fast twitch muscle fibers (or strength fibers) are mostly found in bigcats like tigers and lions. Bear got slow twitch fibers (endurance fibers)...
The reason that the brown bear is stronger, as stated in the scientific posts I presented, is his build. Greater girth of limbs, neck, and torso. More massive bones for greater muscle attachment. Look at how narrow a build this muscular tiger has.
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The grizzly is much thicker in build.
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(01-01-2019, 12:37 AM)brotherbear Wrote: The reason that the brown bear is stronger, as stated in the scientific posts I presented, is his build. Greater girth of limbs, neck, and torso. More massive bones for greater muscle attachment. Look at how narrow a build this muscular tiger has. Dimensions doesn't change true strength. What I mean, it doesn't mean you're strong just because you're being bulkier than a muscular person. Brown bears got very thuck fur coat, with a large amount of fat covering it's whole body. So, no matter how thick it was. That has nothing to do with what the actual strength!
I gave you information from biologists. You spam about fur and fat. Go ahead and post the last word Panther. That'l make you right about everything.
(01-01-2019, 01:04 AM)brotherbear Wrote: I gave you information from biologists. You spam about fur and fat. Go ahead and post the last word Panther. That'l make you right about everything. Opinion of a biologist. However I showed the otherwise from former russian biologist SP kuncherenko. Don't call me spamming, when you're the one who spamming here about opinions . Discussing about fur and fat is not spam. I wonder if you know what "spam" is! |
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