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The Charleston Males and Their Male Lineage
The Charleston Males and Their Male Lineage
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The Charleston Males and Their Male Lineage
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 (07-19-2018, 11:50 AM)PolicemanBob Wrote: who sired the Charleston males and the Avoca males? Hi Bob. The Charleston males were sired by either the Toulon males or the Kruger males. The Toulon males were the dominant males of the Charleston pride but then were ousted by the Kruger males, who actually raised the Charleston males. The timing was such that it's impossible to know which coalition sired the males, but I'd say odd points to the Toulon males being the fathers. The Avoca young males, on the other hand, were sired by the old Avoca/Giraffe males, of which we post in the thread Lions of Timbavati.  (07-19-2018, 04:20 PM)Tshokwane Wrote:(07-19-2018, 11:50 AM)PolicemanBob Wrote: who sired the Charleston males and the Avoca males? How old were the Charleston males when the Kruger coalition males took over the pride? Thankfully they didnt kill them but its interesting that the Kruger males didnt. Thanks. 
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THE CHARLESTON MALES MAKE A RETURN (AND QUITE A STIR!) Posted on July 16, 2018 Categories Lions of Lion Sands, Wildlife
From early in the morning of 11 July, we could hear the roaring of lions. It’s an exciting sound, not only because it helps us to locate them but also, because we don’t have an established coalition here, it’s not something we hear all that often. Setting out on safari, updates startedpouring in over the radio. Our easterly neighbours had heard the vocalizations coming from the south-west, while our neighbours to the south called in the audio to their north-east. With this information, we had a good idea of where to look and headed to the south-east corner of Lion Sands. One of the guides called in two large, male lions. When I got there, I saw these were definitely not the Avoca males – the two lions we’ve regularly viewed on our reserve in the last few months. These were mighty lions – big, black-maned, and beautiful. Upon closer inspection, we noticed one was missing his lower-right canine – a dead giveaway as to his identity. Even though this was the first time I’d ever seen them, these were unmistakably the Charleston Males. The one male is infamous for an altercation with a giraffe (seen during a Lion Sands game drive), which left him with a hanging tooth that’s since fallen out.  *This image is copyright of its original author Image by Neil Jennings The lions were walking ‘with purpose.’  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author It wasn’t a run, but they certainly had a destination in mind and an agenda for when they got there. We followed them on their mission for quite a while. They weren’t interested in hunting either, not at all trying to conceal themselves as we passed several prey species, including some giraffe who kept a steady eye on them. While we were with the Charlestons, the Avoca males had also been found on the reserve, not far from where we were. They were also roaring, which had drawn the attention of the Charlestons. Apparently, the Avocas had been separated from each other and were trying to reunite. However, this gave their position awayto the Charlestons, who were on their way to investigate. Later on in the morning, after we had left the lions, a few other guides reported that the Charlestons had confronted the Avocas, who are much younger and inferior in size and strength. The Charlestons chased the Avocas out of the territory, moving south into Lion Sands Kruger Park. On the afternoon game drive, the guides and guests there also got the chance to view the Charlestons. By then, they’d succeeded in chasing the Avocas out of Lion Sands altogether, and were resting. That evening, the guides followed them as they continued to wander south, until they eventually moved off our reserve. Though it was a short visit, I am so happy that I got to see these lions. The last time they wereseen on the reserve was August of last year. The Charleston males now hold a territory in the Kruger National Park, but that doesn’t stop them from laying claim to an area they once ruled. As the previous dominant males of Lion Sands and the bloodline of the remaining Southern Pride, they are legends around here. I hope it’s not another year until their next visit (although I’m sure the Avoca males would disagree). Words by: Ruvan Grobler Photos by: Anthony Hattingh
Big boy Charleston Male photo by Adribotma, June 2018
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(08-03-2018, 01:30 AM)T Rabbit Wrote: jordi6927 the charleston males did not exist yet when the kruger males took over charleston pride. Reason why kruger males could be fathers of charleston males. Limper started to mate with charleston female months before charleston bornAre they litter mates? I would think the telltale sign of Toulon males are their long slender legs, though genetics are a crap shoot. Do the Toulon's have any surviving male off spring? (08-15-2018, 06:20 PM)Matimbalani Wrote:(08-03-2018, 01:30 AM)T Rabbit Wrote: jordi6927 the charleston males did not exist yet when the kruger males took over charleston pride. Reason why kruger males could be fathers of charleston males. Limper started to mate with charleston female months before charleston bornAre they litter mates? I would think the telltale sign of Toulon males are their long slender legs, though genetics are a crap shoot. Do the Toulon's have any surviving male off spring? Yes, the Eastern Bank males are sons of the Toulon males. (08-15-2018, 09:02 PM)Peteporker Wrote:(08-15-2018, 06:20 PM)Matimbalani Wrote:(08-03-2018, 01:30 AM)T Rabbit Wrote: jordi6927 the charleston males did not exist yet when the kruger males took over charleston pride. Reason why kruger males could be fathers of charleston males. Limper started to mate with charleston female months before charleston bornAre they litter mates? I would think the telltale sign of Toulon males are their long slender legs, though genetics are a crap shoot. Do the Toulon's have any surviving male off spring? Thanks Pete. Looking at EB males, I can't seem to decide if they are as slender as at least the Dominant Toulon. Either way, both are remarkable coalitions.
SA - Alert - CHARLESTON male ...aka hangtooth spotted with snare around neck 4 days ago. (location unknown) Tooth seems to have fallen out.
Please report when seen. Needs urgent attention. He and his brother roam territory along S65 between S1 and S3, also up to Paul Kruger gate. Via Enough is Enough (09-14-2018, 07:16 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: SA - Alert - CHARLESTON male ...aka hangtooth spotted with snare around neck 4 days ago. (location unknown) Tooth seems to have fallen out.this is messed up! hopefully a vet can get it off safely unlike when they tried to remove the snare off the young charleston subadult male that they gave him to much tranquiler and he passed away! life has not been kind to the charlestons!! 
This is very sad. Maybe mfumo was caughted by some kind of trap too at kruger park and died.
From Latest Sightings - Kruger facebook page.
In reference to the snare around the neck of one of the male. There is also a video, but I don't know how to upload it so I'll just provide a link to the page that you can search. https://www.facebook.com/latestsightings...006929029/ Charleston males with a pride of lionesses and cubs on the move "These are the boys we have been looking for. The rangers have been alerted and are on their way." S65, very close to the N'waswitshaka waterhole Near Skukuza... Tinged by Caspian Bryant (09-21-2018, 10:44 PM)Peteporker Wrote: From Latest Sightings - Kruger facebook page. @Peteporker Thanks for the great news. I hope he makes it through. While this is great news, it's sad to think how many lions and other animals lose their life to snares. |
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