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Are Tigers 'Brainier' Than Lions?
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Mamalou,
This thread is about a question. The question is if tigers are brainier than lions. This means it isn't about fights, trainers or dogmas. How contribute? My advice is to read Polar's last post. Although not based on a study, paper or article, it's an interesting personal view. More important is it is a response to the question. He offered an opinion and you can respond. If you want to do lion versus tiger again, I advice to use the animal trainers thread. I started that thread. I don't mind you doing a lion tribute, but when you hijack the thread for promotion, it's game over. As to the question that apparently haunts you. I interviewed a number of experienced trainers. I also talked to someone who really trained big cats (most trainers are performers, not trainers) and a director of a training facility. Some of them saw things that can't be discussed. I saw quite a bit myself. I can keep it real short. The answer to your question is it depends. There's no such thing as species-related ability in a fight. It's individuality all the way and real fair fights are few and far between. One of the two nearly always has a kind of advantage. More often than not, it is decisive. The reason is the margins are small when both are similar in age and size. What I read about tigers and bears in the Russian Far East more or less confirms the reports of trainers in that size, speed, agility, character, age and experience often seem to be decisive. One could add the ability to take damage. In the similar-size category, it's close to unpredictable. As to brains. The question is if tigers are 'brainier' than lions. There are many ways to get to an answer, but I would advice to read the paper first. Good luck. 
This thread was made by me. The sole aim was to refer a paper in first post form a authentic source. From any means, We do not say a species is superior to other. Any further crap in this thread will result in closing of this thread and banning of posters.
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@tigerluver and @Pckts explained it clearly. I couldnt have said it better myself. Thanks guys.  (03-02-2017, 05:23 PM)Apollo Wrote: @ Intellect has many facets. Measuring "true" intelligence is not so easy to do. Intellect developed due to environment would be the most applicable in this case. Each individual has varied experiences and the ability to "apply" what was learned as a result of said experiences is a good indicator of intelligence. Brain size may not always be the most important factor,but it certainly don't hurt. Wild animals rely alot on instinct, but experience is the greatest teacher there is! 
From my point of view, true intelligence should be measured according to one's ability to solve new complex problems. I realize that there are other areas of intelligence, such as a strong memory and good concentration. But I would consider problem solving as top priority.
(03-02-2017, 06:49 PM)brotherbear Wrote: From my point of view, true intelligence should be measured according to one's ability to solve new complex problems. I realize that there are other areas of intelligence, such as a strong memory and good concentration. But I would consider problem solving as top priority. I agree Bro-bear. Problem solving is definitely the top consideration
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MIRROR TEST
So.. this is a self awareness test obviously measuring intelligence. If the animal is aggressive towards the mirror, it is not self aware. If the animal has absolutely no reaction/ignores it, it is not self aware. This wasnt really a test, it was for fun, but it should give you a general sense of the intelligence of the animals.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHN7vJW8t5o&t=1s The tiger first and the leopard second best reactions for proof of self awareness. One lion was aggressive towards, the other didnt even notice and ignored.
Tiger intelligence test in Big Cat Games (lion vs tiger vs cheetah) (the tiger won this. I think the tiger won every round).
https://youtu.be/exAyghYh3ws?t=27m So.. the damn documentary explains everything, watch it! This is proof tigers have very good memory, and are very observing. 
Article about big cat trainers and their felids - tigers and lions.
"tygr je mnohem chytrejsi nez lev" means "tiger is much smarter than lion" https://hobby.idnes.cz/soukroma-zoologicka-zahrada-kde-jsou-tygri-a-lvi-temer-cleny-rodiny-11g-/hobby-mazlicci.aspx?c=A110803_125752_hobby-mazlicci_mce
What else is there to say?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news...d-11945730 
Do tigers have larger brains than lions? Yes, does that make them smarter? No.
Intelligence alone is not based on brain size alone. Here I just found a great video using different species with the same challenge. https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...-big-cats/ A video to go with it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RU0LzXcMxwo Will different animals have different results? I believe so. In my opinion when two animals such as lions and tigers are compared, intelligence wise, I tend to believe more social animals are smarter. Does that mean every lion is smarter than every tiger? No. |
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