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Jaguar and Leopard are same!!
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  *This image is copyright of its original author Color : Almost Same Body structure : Almost Same (Jag little bigger) Weight : Almost Same (Jag little bigger) Melanin : Same (Note: Not in any-other Cats) If necessary both cats can hunt in water Coat : Only difference is few dots My theory : In Asia Persian and Srilankan leopards are little bigger than their neighbor Indian leopards ...... Why because they don't face Dhole-Wolf Packs,Bears, Asiatic Lions and most importantly thier BIG DADDY-Bengal Tigers (it even climb trees and kills him  ).So, Indian leopards are mostly stick to trees like monkeys unlike Persian and lankan leopards which are ALPHA in their region and little bigger. Same goes to Jaguars,because of almost zero competition in South America Leopards became little bigger and now they are called as Jaguars. or They were evolved from Asian leopards (Siberia to Alaska to South America) like Barbary/Indian lions evolved from African lions 
I hope you're not serious?
Even the image you used comes from a page talking about some of their differences. http://www.wildcatsanctuary.org/the-top-...-leopards/ (11-09-2016, 11:27 PM)Pckts Wrote: I hope you're not serious? Do you mean to say 'without checking in internet or research on subject i'm simply blabbering here' ? Above sites (many) data is just a personal opinion. Except Jaguars are little bigger and some glorified BITE FORCE(which is not believable) i didn't find anything new in all other sites. (11-09-2016, 11:39 PM)Vinay Wrote:Ok, so lets take away the genetic differences and just look at visual differences(11-09-2016, 11:27 PM)Pckts Wrote: I hope you're not serious? Their spot patterns, body morphology, sounds they make and body size are all different. Even if a jaguar and leopard were the same size their body ratio wouldn't be. Tail Length, Skull Size, limb length and girth would all be different. Genetically is a different story. (11-10-2016, 12:17 AM)Pckts Wrote: Ok, so lets take away the genetic differences and just look at visual differences Bigger Barbary and skin fold in Asian lions doesn't make them any different SPECIES from African lions. Even in leopards South African,Arabian,Persian and Indian each has lot of different measurements in average girth,limb,skull size etc. Do you have any genetic chart of Jag-leopard?? (11-10-2016, 12:34 AM)Vinay Wrote: Bigger Barbary and skin fold in Asian lions doesn't make them any different SPECIES from African lions. Even in leopards South African,Arabian,Persian and Indian each has lot of different measurements in average girth,limb,skull size etc. Barbary lions are no larger apparently, asiatic lions and barbary lions are of a different sub species. The leopards named are different sub species as well and thus their measurements will be different, all though close, they are still different. A jaguar on the other hand is not a sub species of the leopard, but a completely different species of Panthera. DNA information on the cats requested Jaguar https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16755135 http://slideplayer.com/slide/8569705/ DNA analysis of Tiger, Lion, "snow leopard" http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms3433 All that being said, all big cats will share common ancestors if you go back far enough but that still doesn't mean a Tiger is a lion, a jaguar is a leopard, a puma is a snow leopard etc. (11-10-2016, 01:00 AM)Pckts Wrote: A jaguar on the other hand is not a sub species of the leopard, but a completely different species of Panthera. am talking about only Panthera animals,of-course they all cats and we all are mammals.  Except few dots in the middle of the Leopard ring i didn't find anything NEW in Jaguar that differentiate it from leopard.Jaguar is leopard subspecies evolved slightly different in South American rain forests. 
Scientifically they are declared as different species, So we should respect the scientific facts.
I agree they look very much same, so the skinned Lion and Tiger. That does not mean they are from same subspecies. You can definitely argue, but you can not put it as a proven fact.
Science is not static and SCIENTISTS ARE NOT GODS (not exist, anyway
) ... it is challenged and OLD SO-CALLED FACTS will be corrected many-times. Don't know how Jaguar is consider a different species from leopard except few dots!!
(11-10-2016, 06:00 PM)Vinay Wrote: Science is not static and SCIENTISTS ARE NOT GODS (not exist, anyway You can over simplify all you want but it won't change what science has proven. Genetic differences, physical differences and social differences. You call it "a few dots" so o guess the only difference between a lion and tiger are a few stripes and the only difference between a cheetah and leopard is a few steps? Sorry bud but just because you don't understand something doesn't make it not true. It's not science's job to prove to you individualy, it's your job to understand what they've proven. If you want to spit in their face and say they are wrong than the burden of proof is on you not them. Study genetics, display your findings, have your findings peer reviewed and then proven correct.
But this forum is mostly about scientific facts, As I said, You can always put your view but do not make it firm statement.
(11-10-2016, 06:51 PM)Pckts Wrote: You can over simplify all you want but it won't change what science has proven. Don't want to SPIT any ones face but i hope some one PROVE my point in future by simply comparing North-China leopard genes with Jaguars that they are IDENTICAL species.N-China leopards crossed Alaska to South America and gain some dots ,problem solved. 
We can form our own theories on points till not yet proven or confirmed by science, not on points that are already proven by science. It is plain stupidity i am sorry to say. Theories are crude form, science is distilled form of everything around.
One single fact can specify if two animals of two different taxons belong to the same specie: they are able to reproduce themselves between males and females. Despite the fact that a China leopard and a jaguar can look alike you would be unable to get an offspring between a male of the former and a female of the latter.
So, they are two different species. End of the game. Between a tiger (male or female) and a lion (female or male) you get an infertile hybrid. Between an african lion (male or female) and an asiatic lion (female or male) you get a mistake of nature, of course sterile. The experiment was attempted inside the zoos of India. Thus too, they are different species. And, please, stop writing with big letters.  (11-10-2016, 07:26 PM)Vinay Wrote:(11-10-2016, 06:51 PM)Pckts Wrote: You can over simplify all you want but it won't change what science has proven. I didn't understand if it's a joke or if you talk seriously. In any case, it's not fun. What you wrote is your personal thought and you are free to believe it, but you haven't evidence of this, so it remains only your personal thoughts, and nothing more. If you're convinced, you can write and preparing a scientific study and send it to a scientific journal. Maybe you're right. @sanjay I propose to move this thread in "Debate and Discussion about Wild Animals", and those who want, can continue to discuss them. |
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