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All members there, Fourways female, 2 N'ws girls, 2 sub Gijima girls and 5 cubs.
This is one pride I surely wished we got more frequent updates about. This might be the greatest rebuilding of a pride we've seen, by a single female. Incredible stuff!
All members there, Fourways female, 2 N'ws girls, 2 sub Gijima girls and 5 cubs.
This is one pride I surely wished we got more frequent updates about. This might be the greatest rebuilding of a pride we've seen, by a single female. Incredible stuff!
Agreed - unbelievable story! I do wish Gijimas would see them more often. But this is comeback story of Sabi Sands - Lets hope Ottawas do the same.
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All members there, Fourways female, 2 N'ws girls, 2 sub Gijima girls and 5 cubs.
This is one pride I surely wished we got more frequent updates about. This might be the greatest rebuilding of a pride we've seen, by a single female. Incredible stuff!
Agreed - unbelievable story! I do wish Gijimas would see them more often. But this is comeback story of Sabi Sands - Lets hope Ottawas do the same.
We can add Tsalala to that list, along with Tiyele as well. I, personally, believe Tiyele is the most urgent, due to her advanced age, she might only have one more litter in her. Othawas are critical, as you mentioned, as well, their pride never had a chance to recover from the Mapogos.
All members there, Fourways female, 2 N'ws girls, 2 sub Gijima girls and 5 cubs.
This is one pride I surely wished we got more frequent updates about. This might be the greatest rebuilding of a pride we've seen, by a single female. Incredible stuff!
Agreed - unbelievable story! I do wish Gijimas would see them more often. But this is comeback story of Sabi Sands - Lets hope Ottawas do the same.
We can add Tsalala to that list, along with Tiyele as well. I, personally, believe Tiyele is the most urgent, due to her advanced age, she might only have one more litter in her. Othawas are critical, as you mentioned, as well, their pride never had a chance to recover from the Mapogos.
Hi I believe this topic was up before. If Talamatie lioness is about eight or nine maybe ten she still has time although; if Talamatie lioness has cubs time and energy, and love for her cubs to sub adults maybe two or three years. I would like to see Talamatie lioness with other lionesses, friends a partner.
I was going to say I wish all lions good and best. I also wanted to say I would like to see the Ximunguwe lioness succeed. Ximunguwe lioness was a good friend to Gingerella and now her cubs are doing good her daughters are doing very good. I would like to see Gingerella, plain camp, and sisters all help Ximunguwe lioness and her cubs. If two male cubs it will be interesting, to see hopefully to adulthood.
All members there, Fourways female, 2 N'ws girls, 2 sub Gijima girls and 5 cubs.
This is one pride I surely wished we got more frequent updates about. This might be the greatest rebuilding of a pride we've seen, by a single female. Incredible stuff!
Agreed - unbelievable story! I do wish Gijimas would see them more often. But this is comeback story of Sabi Sands - Lets hope Ottawas do the same.
We can add Tsalala to that list, along with Tiyele as well. I, personally, believe Tiyele is the most urgent, due to her advanced age, she might only have one more litter in her. Othawas are critical, as you mentioned, as well, their pride never had a chance to recover from the Mapogos.
Hi I believe this topic was up before. If Talamatie lioness is about eight or nine maybe ten she still has time although; if Talamatie lioness has cubs time and energy, and love for her cubs to sub adults maybe two or three years. I would like to see Talamatie lioness with other lionesses, friends a partner.
I was going to say I wish all lions good and best. I also wanted to say I would like to see the Ximunguwe lioness succeed. Ximunguwe lioness was a good friend to Gingerella and now her cubs are doing good her daughters are doing very good. I would like to see Gingerella, plain camp, and sisters all help Ximunguwe lioness and her cubs. If two male cubs it will be interesting, to see hopefully to adulthood.
Yes, Tiylele is indeed young enough to possibly have more than one litter, but given how long it has been since the subs perished, I'd argue that she may not get a chance to have more than one litter.
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All members there, Fourways female, 2 N'ws girls, 2 sub Gijima girls and 5 cubs.
This is one pride I surely wished we got more frequent updates about. This might be the greatest rebuilding of a pride we've seen, by a single female. Incredible stuff!
Agreed - unbelievable story! I do wish Gijimas would see them more often. But this is comeback story of Sabi Sands - Lets hope Ottawas do the same.
We can add Tsalala to that list, along with Tiyele as well. I, personally, believe Tiyele is the most urgent, due to her advanced age, she might only have one more litter in her. Othawas are critical, as you mentioned, as well, their pride never had a chance to recover from the Mapogos.
Hi I believe this topic was up before. If Talamatie lioness is about eight or nine maybe ten she still has time although; if Talamatie lioness has cubs time and energy, and love for her cubs to sub adults maybe two or three years. I would like to see Talamatie lioness with other lionesses, friends a partner.
I was going to say I wish all lions good and best. I also wanted to say I would like to see the Ximunguwe lioness succeed. Ximunguwe lioness was a good friend to Gingerella and now her cubs are doing good her daughters are doing very good. I would like to see Gingerella, plain camp, and sisters all help Ximunguwe lioness and her cubs. If two male cubs it will be interesting, to see hopefully to adulthood.
Yes, Tiylele is indeed young enough to possibly have more than one litter, but given how long it has been since the subs perished, I'd argue that she may not get a chance to have more than one litter.
Ye Tiyelele has had so much misfortune, with no coalition really claiming the most northern parts of Sabi Sands, looks like she didn’t conceive with Kambulas either. She needs a youngish coalition to come in, so that they can give her the attention she deserves, before they ultimately make a move for a bigger pride. NK and Khanya would actually be a great coalition for her, but they never really venture that far north, they may not be young, well NK isn’t, but they would likely focus on her. Monwanas possibly too if they were to come back.
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All members there, Fourways female, 2 N'ws girls, 2 sub Gijima girls and 5 cubs.
This is one pride I surely wished we got more frequent updates about. This might be the greatest rebuilding of a pride we've seen, by a single female. Incredible stuff!
Agreed - unbelievable story! I do wish Gijimas would see them more often. But this is comeback story of Sabi Sands - Lets hope Ottawas do the same.
We can add Tsalala to that list, along with Tiyele as well. I, personally, believe Tiyele is the most urgent, due to her advanced age, she might only have one more litter in her. Othawas are critical, as you mentioned, as well, their pride never had a chance to recover from the Mapogos.
Hi I believe this topic was up before. If Talamatie lioness is about eight or nine maybe ten she still has time although; if Talamatie lioness has cubs time and energy, and love for her cubs to sub adults maybe two or three years. I would like to see Talamatie lioness with other lionesses, friends a partner.
I was going to say I wish all lions good and best. I also wanted to say I would like to see the Ximunguwe lioness succeed. Ximunguwe lioness was a good friend to Gingerella and now her cubs are doing good her daughters are doing very good. I would like to see Gingerella, plain camp, and sisters all help Ximunguwe lioness and her cubs. If two male cubs it will be interesting, to see hopefully to adulthood.
Yes, Tiylele is indeed young enough to possibly have more than one litter, but given how long it has been since the subs perished, I'd argue that she may not get a chance to have more than one litter.
Ye Tiyelele has had so much misfortune, with no coalition really claiming the most northern parts of Sabi Sands, looks like she didn’t conceive with Kambulas either. She needs a youngish coalition to come in, so that they can give her the attention she deserves, before they ultimately make a move for a bigger pride. NK and Khanya would actually be a great coalition for her, but they never really venture that far north, they may not be young, well NK isn’t, but they would likely focus on her. Monwanas possibly too if they were to come back.
I was going to say the Kambula male lion would be good, but Kambula male lions have been moving around. They would be four young male lions.
Kambula lions are distantly related, the Talamatie male lion maybe brother and sister.
All members there, Fourways female, 2 N'ws girls, 2 sub Gijima girls and 5 cubs.
This is one pride I surely wished we got more frequent updates about. This might be the greatest rebuilding of a pride we've seen, by a single female. Incredible stuff!
Agreed - unbelievable story! I do wish Gijimas would see them more often. But this is comeback story of Sabi Sands - Lets hope Ottawas do the same.
We can add Tsalala to that list, along with Tiyele as well. I, personally, believe Tiyele is the most urgent, due to her advanced age, she might only have one more litter in her. Othawas are critical, as you mentioned, as well, their pride never had a chance to recover from the Mapogos.
Hi I believe this topic was up before. If Talamatie lioness is about eight or nine maybe ten she still has time although; if Talamatie lioness has cubs time and energy, and love for her cubs to sub adults maybe two or three years. I would like to see Talamatie lioness with other lionesses, friends a partner.
I was going to say I wish all lions good and best. I also wanted to say I would like to see the Ximunguwe lioness succeed. Ximunguwe lioness was a good friend to Gingerella and now her cubs are doing good her daughters are doing very good. I would like to see Gingerella, plain camp, and sisters all help Ximunguwe lioness and her cubs. If two male cubs it will be interesting, to see hopefully to adulthood.
Yes, Tiylele is indeed young enough to possibly have more than one litter, but given how long it has been since the subs perished, I'd argue that she may not get a chance to have more than one litter.
Yes she needs a friend. Tiylele Talamatie lioness was with K12 for sometime. They did not stay together. Tiylele Talamatie lioness has eaten with some Imbali lioness, and Nukhuma lioness, but she did not stay around. Would be good if she could join the Tsalala lionesses.
Wonder if Talamatie lionesses will have cubs of Kambula male lions.
The results of patience and ethical practices around the den site of the Ximhungwe cubs are now bearing fruit. It took us a while to gain their trust, but now they have accepted us into their world, and we can view them without even changing their behavior.
All members there, Fourways female, 2 N'ws girls, 2 sub Gijima girls and 5 cubs.
It's wonderful how despite adversities the lone 4ways female turned to be the matriarch of a solid pride.
Fourways lioness reminded me of the selatie male lions and Charleston male lion in Selatie, and two Talamatie lions. Would be nice to see those male lions.
Southern lioness moves fast. First her two daughters with NdZhengas male lions, and then; young Ndhzenga daughters had cubs young. Southern lioness then has two more daughters with other male lions.
(03-08-2025, 08:27 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote: Wonder if Talamatie lionesses will have cubs of Kambula male lions.
Would really doubt it if she would sire cubs with the lion dynamics in the North. She was seen with or near with 1 or 2 Mantimahle Sons last month or 2 weeks ago while the Kambula Males roams down South. With the Mantimahle Sons not really 100% controlling the North I doubt if they could protect the cubs of Tiyelele when they are always with Imbali Pride and Torchwood Pride. Even when Kambula Males did go back North there is a chance they would even kill the cubs of Tiyelele and even with the cubs of Nkuhuma lioness that they mated with as time of them being apart is getting longer. With no one really controlling the Nkuhuma Pride there would really be no stability in the North as much of the Northern Sabi Sands is their territory. As far as the Mantimahle Sons go it seems like they are not really trying on getting the Nkuhuma Pride and just chase the other male lions in the area but if they would get the Nkuhuma Pride they would have a hard time patrolling their territory as their territory would go to Kruger side of Torchwood, some parts of MalaMala, Buffelshoek, Sothern Manyeleti, all the way to Elephant Plains, Arathusa, Simbambili, Chitwa, Djuma, etc.
This would be their territory if they control Torchwood Pride, Imbali Pride, Nkuhuma Pride, and Tiyelele. Do not really know how big their territory in MalaMala or Kruger but they do control the territory of Imbali Pride in Manyeleti. The dot in Arathusa is the farthest they have gotten West when K3 was alone in North with Little Amber.
(03-08-2025, 08:27 AM)Guillermo94 Wrote: Wonder if Talamatie lionesses will have cubs of Kambula male lions.
Would really doubt it if she would sire cubs with the lion dynamics in the North. She was seen with or near with 1 or 2 Mantimahle Sons last month or 2 weeks ago while the Kambula Males roams down South. With the Mantimahle Sons not really 100% controlling the North I doubt if they could protect the cubs of Tiyelele when they are always with Imbali Pride and Torchwood Pride. Even when Kambula Males did go back North there is a chance they would even kill the cubs of Tiyelele and even with the cubs of Nkuhuma lioness that they mated with as time of them being apart is getting longer. With no one really controlling the Nkuhuma Pride there would really be no stability in the North as much of the Northern Sabi Sands is their territory. As far as the Mantimahle Sons go it seems like they are not really trying on getting the Nkuhuma Pride and just chase the other male lions in the area but if they would get the Nkuhuma Pride they would have a hard time patrolling their territory as their territory would go to Kruger side of Torchwood, some parts of MalaMala, Buffelshoek, Sothern Manyeleti, all the way to Elephant Plains, Arathusa, Simbambili, Chitwa, Djuma, etc.
This would be their territory if they control Torchwood Pride, Imbali Pride, Nkuhuma Pride, and Tiyelele. Do not really know how big their territory in MalaMala or Kruger but they do control the territory of Imbali Pride in Manyeleti. The dot in Arathusa is the farthest they have gotten West when K3 was alone in North with Little Amber.
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That is interesting. Only one Kambula male lion has been with Tiyelele Talamatie lioness? It would be good if sons of Mantimahle lions were in the north, but I think you are right the male lions will chase other male lions and leave. It is strange behavior. Kambula male lions are growing.
03-08-2025, 10:08 PM( This post was last modified: 03-08-2025, 10:09 PM by Tr1x24 )
(03-08-2025, 09:27 PM)Mapokser Wrote: About the Southern Pride, it's worth mentioned that we don't if the elder female was sired by 4ways or Charleston
She was always refered as Fourways offspring, sister of SP Fourways young male.
