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(02-01-2025, 08:11 AM)Mapokser Wrote: One of them, I believe #5 with the big mane, is almost always in good condition and barely limps ( though sometimes he is skinny ), the other 2 yeah, their condition is very inconsistent.
Still, if it's their condition holding them back, it's not a bad thing for the local dynamics, for now it's better for Ndhzengas and Gijima to remain in power.
But 1, 2 years from now if Nkuhlu were to oust the old Ndhzengas, it could be a good thing as they'd have the numbers to control that area, and the Kambula pride will have its new generation ready to accept new males.
I agree. For Nkhulus specifically, if they manage to have cubs just with Sand River pride, it is sort of waste of a reproductive potential of such a big coalition, on the other hand with their relatives Plain Camps and Mantimahles 2.0 doing well in Sabi Sands or adjacent area and their Mantimahle fathers being successful all around, it is not entirely bad for the genetically diversity of the population if Nkhulu would be underachievers (mostly due to circumstances beyond their reach aka health issues and subsequent impact) - although at first glance, Mantimahle progeny seems to inherit a lot of desirable "strong" genes at least of the physical appearance kind, not bad to spread out, unless there are some detrimental that would spread with it. Worth noting PCM don't have a great record with their cubs survival beyond Ximhungwe pride (and Nkuhuma Breakaways duo, which is more thanks to Ridge Nose anyway), but they still monopolize reproduction capacities of multiple prides on the territory their control, hopefully next generation of Mantimahle dscendants in Sabi Sands will deisperse in different directions rather than mate with each other.
And ofc we all would like it if takeovers would happen at times in between generations of litters, so the sub-adults can move on and ideally no cubs would be casualtiesv - sort of like Ndzhengas took over Kambulas for the most part - so it would be great if Gijimas would hold off Nkhulus for few years more for sure.
I always thought that Nkuhlu were a huge threat to the future rule of Gijima and Ndhzenga, while I remember Tr1x doubting they'd be healthy enough to outcompete these duos in the future.
Now I'm leaning towards agreeing with Tr1x. Even if #2 gets back to full strength ( it's weird he hasn't yet, even limping, nomad K4 who got a much worse beating, has been seen in top condition ), #3, #4and #6 are just not healthy enough.
They, when in good condition, can help repeal Gijima like they did in the past, get some back and forth chasing.
But say the Gijima were to attack them at this kill right now? Only chance all Nkuhlu survives would be if Gijima spared them out of the feeling such weak lion is not a threat. I doubt these 3 weaker brothers can outrun anyone in such condition.
Now, what if #2 doesn't get back to 100%? I don't want to be pessimistic but he may have the same disease his brothers have and after the beating, the symptoms started to show up. It happened to Delaporte and some other lions, it's that theory that the disease goes from dormant to active after a beating or injury.
If #2 also gets sick, suddenly they can even get ousted by any bold duo who gives it a try.
(Yesterday, 07:03 AM)Mapokser Wrote: I always thought that Nkuhlu were a huge threat to the future rule of Gijima and Ndhzenga, while I remember Tr1x doubting they'd be healthy enough to outcompete these duos in the future.
Now I'm leaning towards agreeing with Tr1x. Even if #2 gets back to full strength ( it's weird he hasn't yet, even limping, nomad K4 who got a much worse beating, has been seen in top condition ), #3, #4and #6 are just not healthy enough.
They, when in good condition, can help repeal Gijima like they did in the past, get some back and forth chasing.
But say the Gijima were to attack them at this kill right now? Only chance all Nkuhlu survives would be if Gijima spared them out of the feeling such weak lion is not a threat. I doubt these 3 weaker brothers can outrun anyone in such condition.
Now, what if #2 doesn't get back to 100%? I don't want to be pessimistic but he may have the same disease his brothers have and after the beating, the symptoms started to show up. It happened to Delaporte and some other lions, it's that theory that the disease goes from dormant to active after a beating or injury.
If #2 also gets sick, suddenly they can even get ousted by any bold duo who gives it a try.
Do you know who the 2 thin Nkhulu Males in the 2nd post on the right side, the other Nkhulu Males are also thin but not that THIN compared to the 2 on the right, really seems like they do have a serious illness also it seems like the some of the Nkhulu Males did get the bad end of the stick in terms of disease affecting them heavily.
Yeah something happened too these guys awhile ago and I have no idea what happened lack of food poison or they just have TB and are suffering… but it seems like a similar situation that the tumbelas had/have but idk they used to look like tanks but now most of them are sick
(Yesterday, 08:38 AM)sunless Wrote: Do you know who the 2 thin Nkhulu Males in the 2nd post on the right side, the other Nkhulu Males are also thin but not that THIN compared to the 2 on the right, really seems like they do have a serious illness also it seems like the some of the Nkhulu Males did get the bad end of the stick in terms of disease affecting them heavily.
