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Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara
Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara
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Other male lion coalitions from Masai Mara
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 (02-01-2025, 01:02 PM)Mwk85 Wrote: Lorkulup is gone. I had been seeing posts in regards to this over the past couple of hours but wasn't sure if they were legitimate or not but the Kenya Wildlife Service (KWS) has confirmed it, said to be from a hunting accident. Possibly a hunt gone bad against an Eland is what I've seen put out by others that work in the area but that may or may not be the actual case right now. They staged a scene where the say he was gored by an Eland and then eaten by hyenas. Lorkulup was killed by ranchers illegally grazing their cattle. Convince me otherwise! I'm done with the Mara, and anybody that visits this area or supports it in anyway is just... we'll go with clueless. Cheetah will be gone from this area in a few years, and Lions inside of a decade.   (02-01-2025, 06:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: So first Olobor and now his brother Lorkulup, 2 most famous Mara lions these days...nice.. I have seen the images of Lorkulup's head, in case anyone may have still been holding out that he might still be alive. If the death of this highly beloved lion, from his second encounter with humans, is not enough to stop the tourism for Masai Mara, then nothing will. However, as it seems to me, this is literally what they are trying to do, trying to claim that land for themselves. While their government turns a blind eyes towards their open lawlessness, they don't want the additional eyes that tourism brings, to be trained on them. I believe the only thing that will stop it, will be pressure and sanctions from outside governments. These people are trying to claim the land that these creatures live on, since the creatures are what draws the tourism, taking the land clearly means more to them. Pressure on their government, from the outside, akin to the pressures that lead to the anti-poaching squads (not an easy fight for those who were involved), and the strict laws which permit the killing of said poachers, is what is needed. As they did then, they didn't focus on the poachers, you don't focus on the people taking the land, you focus on what their government deems important and that is what you begin to sanction. In the end, it will take getting their government to care, about enforcing their own laws, since the laws against what is happening already exist. 
The minute the last tourist leaves, the first bulldozers and culling's start. So calling for boycotts and such is exactly the last thing the area needs right now.
I think the only thing that can help is for an external party to step in and fix the mismanagement that happens in the park. But its going to need a mayor wake up call for that. (02-02-2025, 12:54 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(02-01-2025, 06:53 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: So first Olobor and now his brother Lorkulup, 2 most famous Mara lions these days...nice.. This has been my stance for some time. FULL and complete BOYCOTT of everything from any of these nations. Sanctions and Tariffs and every imaginable political power brought to bear. Starve them back to what they were 30 years ago when we still had Rhinos' and a thriving Elephant population, and yes... WILD Cats roaming these lands. (02-02-2025, 01:18 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: The minute the last tourist leaves, the first bulldozers and culling's start. So calling for boycotts and such is exactly the last thing the area needs right now. That is precisely what I said, I believe they are intentionally doing all of this, out in the open, because they want to end the tourism. Just as you mentioned, I just said that as soon as it stops, they will seize the land for good. As it stands today, that is going to eventually happen, whether we call for boycotts or not. They have already taken over the marsh area from the show, and in the process killed off a large portion of the Marsh Pride made famous in that show. Pressure from outside governments is the only thing that will stop what is currently happening. The corrupt government that oversees the area that contains the Mara, is clearly complicit in what is happening, along with the corruption that permeates certain guides and rangers, and those who employ them. They are the ones who must feel the pressures, and they are the ones who need to be focused on, not the cattle herder swinging the machete. (02-02-2025, 01:18 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: This has been my stance for some time. FULL and complete BOYCOTT of everything from any of these nations. Sanctions and Tariffs and every imaginable political power brought to bear. Starve them back to what they were 30 years ago when we still had Rhinos' and a thriving Elephant population, and yes... WILD Cats roaming these lands. Unfortunatley as @Duco Ndona said, if Mara tourism fall, all wildlife there will be dead in few months.. There has to be another solutuon.. (02-02-2025, 03:14 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(02-02-2025, 01:18 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: This has been my stance for some time. FULL and complete BOYCOTT of everything from any of these nations. Sanctions and Tariffs and every imaginable political power brought to bear. Starve them back to what they were 30 years ago when we still had Rhinos' and a thriving Elephant population, and yes... WILD Cats roaming these lands. I'm far deeper than Tourism. I am talking about ending everything that comes into this area from anywhere else. Full and complete boycott of all products produced in this region. The problem is.. it will kill lots of people. So... we have a choice. People, or wildlife? One or the other will be gone in a decade.
When the economy gets nuked, it would just give them more incentive to exploit the Mara.
I dont think a stick is going to work here. We need a carrot, a bigger one than the farmers. (02-02-2025, 03:34 AM)Duco Ndona Wrote: When the economy gets nuked, it would just give them more incentive to exploit the Mara. The only answer honestly is providing a life for these people somewhere else. You have to convince humans to leave this area entirely, and then a mechanism by which to obliterate anybody that even thinks about poaching. I've joked about it, but a mega project to build a Jurassic Park wall around the entirety of Central Africa. Build in 24/7 Trumann show style Cameras or something and sell subscriptions. (02-02-2025, 03:25 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: I'm far deeper than Tourism. I am talking about ending everything that comes into this area from anywhere else. Full and complete boycott of all products produced in this region. The problem is.. it will kill lots of people. So... we have a choice. People, or wildlife? One or the other will be gone in a decade. Sanctions would kill wildlife aswell, its ripple effect. (02-02-2025, 06:51 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(02-02-2025, 03:25 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: I'm far deeper than Tourism. I am talking about ending everything that comes into this area from anywhere else. Full and complete boycott of all products produced in this region. The problem is.. it will kill lots of people. So... we have a choice. People, or wildlife? One or the other will be gone in a decade. I am not so sure about that, if it is the right sanctions against the right person/group/organization, they can produce a very expedited affect. We have seen this just recently. Sometimes the sanctions do not even need to be enacted, sometimes just the threat of them can have the desired affect. (02-02-2025, 06:51 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(02-02-2025, 03:25 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote: I'm far deeper than Tourism. I am talking about ending everything that comes into this area from anywhere else. Full and complete boycott of all products produced in this region. The problem is.. it will kill lots of people. So... we have a choice. People, or wildlife? One or the other will be gone in a decade. So, essentially, there is no answer. The only answers are not realistic. Every time they kill a lion we send in the helicopters and wipe out a village. This may be the only message that can get through. Option #2? Prepare yourself for the day in the very near future that we announce to the world that like the Black Rhino, Lions, Cheetah's, and Leopard's are gone. This day is FAST approaching. WE will all witness it.
There is clearly a way that the animals and people can coexist, as has been done in recent decades. It isn't until park management decided to play God, choosing who lives and who dies, and the government ceased enforcing existing laws, that things became a problem.
(02-02-2025, 07:14 PM)BA0701 Wrote: There is clearly a way that the animals and people can coexist, as has been done in recent decades. It isn't until park management decided to play God, choosing who lives and who dies, and the government ceased enforcing existing laws, that things became a problem. Sorry, this whole area has been on my mind for the last year. The things that go on here, and the as you say, picking and choosing. Take Nashapol the Cheetah and her 5 cubs. They essentially chaperoned her and those cubs around for several months. NOW... Cheetah's are not long for this earth, and what humans are doing with them and these transplant programs is horrendous, but again... who are we to intervene? I mean, we've already done the ultimate intervene by wiping out 75%+ of their habitat, but again... we choose who lives and dies. As for the Masai, and the governments here, please don't get me started. They make Western Governments look like German Automobile engines of efficiency with how corrupt and greedy they are. Basically a year apart, the 2 most recognizable lions on planet earth were killed by humans and covered up. Humans that received a LOT of money to NOT do what they just did. Humans that want to do it to basically all the rest of the vermin on the lands they deem to be theirs by right. Maybe they are correct. Maybe it is their land. Maybe they should do what they want, but ... I guess I just need to stop. Who am I to criticize. My ancestors wiped out the plains. |
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