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(11-23-2024, 11:05 AM)sunless Wrote: Just wondering if the guide what saying here is true in reference to lions having virus is treated then why did they not treat S8 Male when S8 apparently have TB from their prognosis even before he died or is it not really TB that killed S8???

Well really hate how the Talamatis and S8 had been treated when they really need help from humans especially the snared Talamati lioness and the TB for S8 and just let him die slowly they just go on like nothing happened and when there are tourist they somehow overpraise the reserve for helping the wildlife when really they are not.

If I remember correctly my friend, when they performed the autopsy on S8, it was determined that he had peritonitis, which in most cases is a fatal infection of all the internal organs.
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So TB is in all lions because of the infected buffalo they eat right? So if a lion gets hurt or injured and it doesn’t get better fast enough the TB will take over a weaken lions body and they’ll die, so is it anything they can do to fix that? I mean I know they can’t cure all the buffalo or whatever but it’s nothing they can do?
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(11-23-2024, 11:25 AM)afortich Wrote: If I remember correctly my friend, when they performed the autopsy on S8, it was determined that he died of peritonitis, which in most cases is a fatal infection of all the internal organs.
The autopsy for S8 reported lesions on the lungs consistent with Bovine Tuberculosis and peritonitis brought about by a punctured intestine caused by a buffalo.
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(11-23-2024, 11:40 AM)sunless Wrote:
(11-23-2024, 11:25 AM)afortich Wrote: If I remember correctly my friend, when they performed the autopsy on S8, it was determined that he died of peritonitis, which in most cases is a fatal infection of all the internal organs.
The autopsy for S8 reported lesions on the lungs consistent with Bovine Tuberculosis and peritonitis brought about by a punctured intestine caused by a buffalo.

You're right, S8 got several things. In that case, peritonitis will kill anything within a few days. For TB to kill will take longer. Therefore, it is very likely that peritonitis was one of the main reasons for his dead.
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From the Mantimahles thread: blonde Mantimahle currently in Djuma while dark maned is in Manyeleti Buffelshoek. So Mantimahles currenly are split and quite far from each other (7km tells my Google Maps). That should lower the chances for another encounter with K4 (or other Kambulas) in the coming days
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Ginger-maned Mantimahtle male on Sunset safari with three unconfirmed lionesses, potentially Imbalis, and they crossed north into Buffelshoek towards the end of the drive. He was limping slightly, possibly a souvenir from their fight with K4.


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Two of the lionesses

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Crossing the boundary into Buffelshoek

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Looking like Makhunga in this last pic.

They seems to split a lot which is even better for bigger coalition, though Kambulas haven't capitalized on it yet.
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(11-24-2024, 04:11 AM)Mapokser Wrote: They seems to split a lot which is even better for bigger coalition, though Kambulas haven't capitalized on it yet.

Dont think they split any more than any other coalition, just because we see them at the moment when they are split doesnt mean thats how they are most of the time.

Also, they are in the proccess of mating with Imbalis and some NKs, so thats normal that they are each with their mating partner.
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(11-24-2024, 04:11 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Looking like Makhunga in this last pic.

They seems to split a lot which is even better for bigger coalition, though Kambulas haven't capitalized on it yet.

Not familiar with the 'original' Mantimahle males, but I imagine the ginger-maned Mantimahle was fathered by the same male that fathered the two PC boys.

These males are all over the place at the moment. Mating with lionesses from the Nkuhuma, Imbali breakaway and Nharu prides. While this will take some of the pressure off the Kambula males, it's probably not going to lead to much stability, and we could likely see a similar situation with the PC males and their prides in the west.
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(11-24-2024, 05:10 PM)NLAL11 Wrote: Not familiar with the 'original' Mantimahle males, but I imagine the ginger-maned Mantimahle was fathered by the same male that fathered the two PC boys.

We cant tell these things with 100% certainty, but he is prob not.

PCMs are prob sired by Orange Mane:


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Imo this blonde son is sired by Sharp Eyes, who had lightest mane of Mantimahles, those sharp eyes and big black lips, just like son:


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His black maned brother is very likely by 5th, he doesnt look similar to any other Mantimahle in face, 5th also had by far darkest mane of his brothers in early days, and not as muscular build:


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@Tr1x24 

You will know these males way better than I do, but to be honest that last picture of Orange Mane Mantimahle looks just like the ginger-maned Mantimahle (who isn't really that blonde, just compared to his black-maned brother). Though the senior Mantimahle male does have a wider nose.


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Whereas in that first picture of Sharp Eyes, he looks facially very similar to the PC males in my opinion, particularly when they were younger.

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Nkuhlu male lion with Styx female

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@NLAL11 

Well, we can find similarities if we want even for unrelated lions, let alone same blood.

Sharp Eyes and Orange Mane are similar, they are prob sired by 1 old Mazithi, while Boss, HonestFace and 5th by another, first ones had lighter manes,  while other 3 darker ones.

But there small differences in face structure which separates them, such as nose, lips and eyes.

I just posted few pictures to example.

When we compare lions like that, we need to look at more sample sizes, not 1 picture where males look similar on that particular shot.
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Princess Tsalala has returned to Londolozi

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