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Plains Camp Males
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Personally, and yes subjectively, but I am not sure that the PCM or the Ndzengas want to mess with each other, otherwise we'd have seen the PCMs move east and go for the Kambulas, the biggest prize in all of SS, or we'd see the Nwas moving west to try and conquer all of the prides over there, we can toss the Gijimas in that mix as well. None of these three are pushing towards any of the others, I believe it is because the risk of doing so outweighs the possible reward. There is a lot of young cubs all around, so it would not take a lot to get drive those females into estrus, but regardless of which duo we are talking about, to go after any of those prides is to risk everything you have, I think they all understand the strength of the guardians that would await them.
We've seen, just recenty, some interactions between the Nkhulus and the Gijimas, it seems the Gijimas are more comfortable taking their chances with a splintered group of 6 than to push into the PCMs territory, but we haven't seen the PCMs moving into Gijima territory either.  (05-17-2024, 04:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Personally, and yes subjectively, but I am not sure that the PCM or the Ndzengas want to mess with each other, otherwise we'd have seen the PCMs move east and go for the Kambulas, the biggest prize in all of SS, or we'd see the Nwas moving west to try and conquer all of the prides over there, we can toss the Gijimas in that mix as well. None of these three are pushing towards any of the others, I believe it is because the risk of doing so outweighs the possible reward. There is a lot of young cubs all around, so it would not take a lot to get drive those females into estrus, but regardless of which duo we are talking about, to go after any of those prides is to risk everything you have, I think they all understand the strength of the guardians that would await them. I believe these 3 coalitions haven’t recently had any altercations with each other simply because it hasn’t made sense doing so. Gijimas have 3 prides to mate with, Ndzengas were consistently siring cubs with Kambula females while also courting Nkuhuma females and atleast one Talamati female on the side. PCMs also had 2 prides to mate with. Nkuhuma Pride is where it gets interesting, if the PCMs stay pursuing them, as we know Ndzengas love to go North when they hear too much commotion. Just so happens they’d be crossing paths with a much different duo than they’re used to. Don’t want to go too much into detail about the last paragraph being this is a thread for the PCMs, but I’m not completely sure the Gijimas latest excursion in Nkhulu territory started off as them pushing for more territory. We’ve certainly seen them do that before when they were met by 5 Nkhulu males. I had heard Nkhulus interacted with the Styx Pride first which most likely caught the attention of both Gijimas males who then chased them not only out of their own territory but throughout Nkhulu territory. This is where they prolly ran into the Sand River Pride. (05-17-2024, 04:52 AM)KM600 Wrote:(05-17-2024, 04:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Personally, and yes subjectively, but I am not sure that the PCM or the Ndzengas want to mess with each other, otherwise we'd have seen the PCMs move east and go for the Kambulas, the biggest prize in all of SS, or we'd see the Nwas moving west to try and conquer all of the prides over there, we can toss the Gijimas in that mix as well. None of these three are pushing towards any of the others, I believe it is because the risk of doing so outweighs the possible reward. There is a lot of young cubs all around, so it would not take a lot to get drive those females into estrus, but regardless of which duo we are talking about, to go after any of those prides is to risk everything you have, I think they all understand the strength of the guardians that would await them. Sabi Sands is currently a beehive of activity in every direction. We all say it so much, it has become a bit of a cliche, but there is absolutely interesting times ahead, all over the entire reserve. 
@T_Ferguson all I want is for the PCM to go to back to Singita and raise their cubs in the west, but they clearly have their own "agenda" and seems keen on taking over the NK pride and we may very well call them the dominant males of the north already, it's not like there's anyone else contesting their claim and they have walked through the entire north by now, being Buffelshoek the only exception I think.
Other males would be smart to avoid them but we've seen the Mantimahles in SS a lot, even going as far as spending weeks in Northern MalaMala, and we don't know how tough they are exactly, they might be aa aggressive aa their younger brothers. We also have seen the Ndhzengas confidently going north from time to time, once they went to Elephant Plains to investigate the PCM v Kambula clash, so I fear some sort of clash will happen up there in the north.  (05-17-2024, 05:38 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(05-17-2024, 04:52 AM)KM600 Wrote:(05-17-2024, 04:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Personally, and yes subjectively, but I am not sure that the PCM or the Ndzengas want to mess with each other, otherwise we'd have seen the PCMs move east and go for the Kambulas, the biggest prize in all of SS, or we'd see the Nwas moving west to try and conquer all of the prides over there, we can toss the Gijimas in that mix as well. None of these three are pushing towards any of the others, I believe it is because the risk of doing so outweighs the possible reward. There is a lot of young cubs all around, so it would not take a lot to get drive those females into estrus, but regardless of which duo we are talking about, to go after any of those prides is to risk everything you have, I think they all understand the strength of the guardians that would await them. I wish I could figure out how to get there. I want to go.. don't know where to stay, don't know how long... Flying from Northeast US is a day on a plane each way, and if I go to South Africa, I need to visit Kevin Richardson's reserve, and then I want to go to Sabi... Sorry for the off topic... I'll stop. By the time I get there though, it'll be 6 or 7 other threads we'll be typing in. 
The Plains camp male mating with a Nkuhuma lioness at Chitwa Chitwa in Sabi Sands
Photo credits: Deon Wessels Photography Chitwa Chitwa Private Game Reserve 17.05.24  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
Up-close and personal with the two Plains camp males
Photo credit: Deon Wessels Photography Chitwa Chitwa PGR 16.05.24  *This image is copyright of its original author  *This image is copyright of its original author
 (05-17-2024, 06:09 AM)T_Ferguson Wrote:(05-17-2024, 05:38 AM)BA0701 Wrote:(05-17-2024, 04:52 AM)KM600 Wrote:(05-17-2024, 04:12 AM)BA0701 Wrote: Personally, and yes subjectively, but I am not sure that the PCM or the Ndzengas want to mess with each other, otherwise we'd have seen the PCMs move east and go for the Kambulas, the biggest prize in all of SS, or we'd see the Nwas moving west to try and conquer all of the prides over there, we can toss the Gijimas in that mix as well. None of these three are pushing towards any of the others, I believe it is because the risk of doing so outweighs the possible reward. There is a lot of young cubs all around, so it would not take a lot to get drive those females into estrus, but regardless of which duo we are talking about, to go after any of those prides is to risk everything you have, I think they all understand the strength of the guardians that would await them. Only far off travel I have experience with was traveling to Iraq and back home once to twice a year, which often took about 2 full days to get onto the base I was headed to, from my front door. You might ask @widmerk , he makes the trek 1-2 times a year, he even just detailed an outline of what to do when you get there, for your lion sighting pleasure.
I just feel like that pride will be at the greatest risk because they aren't fenced in on 3 sides, and the PCM's will not stay there full time. Only hope really is the Kambula's since K4 has mated with these lions quite a bit as well.
They have driven off any competition for sure, though I doubt they will stay after the mating is over.
I hope this doesnt turn into another Ximhungwe pride scenario.
It’s a shame because they would be the perfect coalition to takeover Nkuhuma Pride, it just so happens they have way too many cubs across two separate prides.
If the 3 female subs avoid the PCM and survives the takeover, there will also be them to mate with the PCM eventually.
Chances are high they'll abandon part of the West and probably Ximhungwe pride which will become the new NK Breakaways. Though there's a possibility they'll abandon even the Manghenis eventually. |
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