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Lions of Sabi Sands

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BDM in Londolozi, one is supposedly with a slight limp:

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YouTube version of the video posted by @Tr1x24 of the NK lioness with the Kambula young guys




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We shall see how it goes. I doubt her brothers are just going to turn on her, but she is in a very tough situation. 
Most likely she ends up as one of the leopard lionesses in londolozi. If she lives.
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There's a negative chance the males will ever seriously attack her and they may only attack her by thinking she wants to steal their mating opportunities as I'm not sure they understand she has no interest in it and may think she is charging the females to claim mating rights.

If she plays it smart and realize she shouldn't attack approaching females, she won't have a problem with her brothers and if the NK females try to attack her, her brothers would defend her. From the males perspective she's one of them, they spent their entire lives together and nomadhood, we've seen her grooming them and getting groomed by them, their bond is very strong, the Charleston female was even able to raise Sand River Males offspring and a random adopted cub despite living with her territorial nephews who accepted the cubs.

Only real risk would be the NK pride catching her alone.

But anyway, she will be turning 5yo soon, only reason she has not come into heat yet is because she doesn't want to mate with her brothers, but eventually she will and then she'll likely go look or some strong unrelated male to mate with.
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New Wrinkle.  Damaged BDM boy.


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The limping BDM may have a scratch here and there, he has a cut on one of his paws, extremely similar to the cut K4 got when he got in that scrap with one of the BDM when the 2 coalitions first met.

Nothing serious though, soon we'll find out what the BDM will do, they went south, I had hoped they'd go further north as there are many opportunities there and they came from the north so they know that area.
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( This post was last modified: 01-21-2024, 06:09 AM by KM600 )

(01-21-2024, 02:03 AM)Mapokser Wrote: There's a negative chance the males will ever seriously attack her and they may only attack her by thinking she wants to steal their mating opportunities as I'm not sure they understand she has no interest in it and may think she is charging the females to claim mating rights.

If she plays it smart and realize she shouldn't attack approaching females, she won't have a problem with her brothers and if the NK females try to attack her, her brothers would defend her. From the males perspective she's one of them, they spent their entire lives together and nomadhood, we've seen her grooming them and getting groomed by them, their bond is very strong, the Charleston female was even able to raise Sand River Males offspring and a random adopted cub despite living with her territorial nephews who accepted the cubs.

Only real risk would be the NK pride catching her alone.

But anyway, she will be turning 5yo soon, only reason she has not come into heat yet is because she doesn't want to mate with her brothers, but eventually she will and then she'll likely go look or some strong unrelated male to mate with.

I remember hearing some talk about how she may have already been in heat as her brothers were supposedly obsessed with her at one point.

From the females side I’ve said this before, I only believe she’ll be fully accepted by the Kambula males if she allows them to mate. Sure they can defend her from the Nkuhuma Pride if they were to secure it, but they’re not gonna always be there to protect her and have zero reason to constantly fight their own females for their sister who has no benefit towards them.
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She is pretty much part of their coalition or is atleast seen as a pride under their controll sans mating. If lion social bonds were really that shallow, they would be extremely rare and fall apart at the first mating opportunity. Much like we see with leopards.

Most likely this will behave similar as a coalition that has multiple prides under their controll and one of them went into estrus.
The males will just move between the two prides while the lionesses try to keep their distance from eachother. Though sometimes a lioness gets a bit to worked up and takes risks she shouldnt have, resulting in conflicts like this. Just think of the fate of the original Ximhungwe lionesses.

The Nkhuhuma lioness wasnt aware that there already was a rival lioness with them, so she got chased off for now by that lioness and the males. Though some off the males will likely leave for a bit to mate with her soon.
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It's how I remember people talking about the Black Rock Males from Mara.

They are often seen apart, the 2 more aggressive ones going on adventurers while the 2 more chill ones remain with the Rongai pride and tolerate their 2yo subadult son while the 2 more aggressive males always try to oust the sub when they visit, and sometimes are rejected by the Rongai lionesses who chase them.

And people were saying "if Lorkulup and Oloimina are around they'll defend the subadult from their 2 other brothers, they love their son!"

Then one day Olobor ( one of the 2 estranged/more aggressive brothers ) returned and got chased by the females and the subadult... Until the 2 pride males rushed to help their estranged brother and put their son and females in their place.

The bond between coalition brothers is very strong, if one don't leave for at least several months, the others will always side with him against any outside lions and at this point the Kambula sister is not any different from any of her brothers in their eyes.
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Skorro Orpen male seen at Nkorho 

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Monday 15 January 2024
  • Three unknown lioness and the Kruger male lion, sleeping at Secret clearing.
Friday, 19 January 2024
  • The Nkuhuma pride of lions consisting of nine individuals, resting in the Manyaleti river North of our fathers crossing.
Saturday, 20 January 2024
  • The Nkuhuma pride of lions consisting of ten individuals, sleeping at Eagle owl crossing.
  • The four kambula male lions with one kambula lioness, resting at Buff pan.
Sunday, 20 January 2024
  • The Talamati break away pride consisting of one adult lioness and two sub adult lions, sleeping North of Simba dam
https://elephantplains.co.za/big-5-blog/...t-january/
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"A skinny, unidentified young male lion in our area, was spotted trailing a small herd of buffaloes who’s been hanging around the same area for 3 days.

He looked a bit bruised & battered & very hungry…"


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It has footage of K4 mating with a NK lioness, and then roaring. Maybe the same female that went to greet them?




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(01-22-2024, 12:32 AM)Tonpa Wrote: "A skinny, unidentified young male lion in our area, was spotted trailing a small herd of buffaloes who’s been hanging around the same area for 3 days.

He looked a bit bruised & battered & very hungry…"
Seems like he has been in a recent scuffle. 
By the #'s it's in Nkorho, probably one of the three young Imbali males(?)
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It seems the people from the north that get to see the Ndhzengas regard them as large. But anyway now that the Kambulas are establishing themselves in the north it may be dangerous for the Ndhzengas to keep going north.



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