Lions of Sabi Sands

[Ttimemarti]

It’s such a weird situation but if no one claims the northern sabi sands another nearby coalition will come since no roars from the northern avocas or S8 have been heard for a long time they better act fast, but you never know Reply

[Mapokser]

Kambulas have been seen everywhere from Northeast Singita to Djuma and northern Londolozi. They'll probably claim this entire area.

The NK pride is unbelievably good at avoiding males when they want, this since the time of Mapogos. I wouldn't be surprised if the subs avoid the Kambulas and eventually Kambulas will have 9 or 10 females under them. Reply

[KM600]

(01-15-2024, 04:32 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @KM600 Mohawk and NK males left after Kambulas arrived and started roaring. Even if they didn't chase them off, they're clearly the reason they left.

Mohawk and his sons were sticking to that territory for almost a year, they wouldn't coincidentally move off 50km into Kruger suddenly without any reason to do so.

This makes zero sense as Mohawk/sons were caught on video a few times roaring around Nkorho at the same time Kambula males were also in the area, I remember sending in the videos and asking how they’ve managed to avoid each other. And them moving that far into KNP is more likely their own doing, Kambula males certainly didn’t send them that far packing even if they did put pressure on them without going into KNP themselves. 

It’s like when the Kambula males first went into Northern Sabi Sands after focusing on Umkumbe/Londolozi and parts of the West, nobody knows why it happened, it just happened. Kambula males can’t even oust the only two dominant males in Northern Sabi Sands so I doubt they could successfully oust Mohawk/sons within that short a time frame. Reply

[Mapokser]

(01-15-2024, 06:51 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(01-15-2024, 04:32 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @KM600 Mohawk and NK males left after Kambulas arrived and started roaring. Even if they didn't chase them off, they're clearly the reason they left.

Mohawk and his sons were sticking to that territory for almost a year, they wouldn't coincidentally move off 50km into Kruger suddenly without any reason to do so.

This makes zero sense as Mohawk/sons were caught on video a few times roaring around Nkorho at the same time Kambula males were also in the area, I remember sending in the videos and asking how they’ve managed to avoid each other. And them moving that far into KNP is more likely their own doing, Kambula males certainly didn’t send them that far packing even if they did put pressure on them without going into KNP themselves. 

It’s like when the Kambula males first went into Northern Sabi Sands after focusing on Umkumbe/Londolozi and parts of the West, nobody knows why it happened, it just happened. Kambula males can’t even oust the only two dominant males in Northern Sabi Sands so I doubt they could successfully oust Mohawk/sons within that short a time frame.

After what, one, two weeks, they vanished for good? Seeing them roaring once or twice after the arrival of Kambulas means nothing.

Again, I'm not saying Kambulas chased them, but their arrival and 4 roars surely was the last incentive they needed to leave. Prior to that they had never went fully nomadic and at best would hangout on the Manyeleti and Kruger border, now they are 50km into Kruger, it's far from a coincidence.

And what do you mean they can't oust the BDM? They have done it already, the BDM has no claims on the land anymore, they are low profile since their last clash when the northern guide said he saw the BDM south after the clash, saying his bet was that Kambulas chased them, they are a duo of Tumbelas now, wandering around their previous territor. The PCM have gone out of their incredibly vast territory to chase the Kambulas off, do you think the BDM, if still territorial, are just coincidentally unable to find the Kambulas? They aren't, they are avoiding them. Once the Kambulas arrived the BDM quickly found them and went to deal with them, initially seemingly succeeding, but soon were outmatched and now are nomads.

And BDM > Mohawk/sons, the BDM were territorial, the dominant males, NK and Mohawk would avoid and get chased by BDM so it's the opposite, if Mohawk and his sons couldn't deal with the BDM, they wouldn't want to stick around the Kambulas who ousted the BDM with little effort... hell K4 was patrolling and roaring alone for possibly weeks ( to a point Singita thought their pride was down to 3 brothers and the sister ) and the BDM, after their defeat, didn't even try to sneak on the solo Kambula male... I don't even remember the last time we saw the BDM patrolling, roaring or scent-marking, and their last sightings had all been on Singita or Londolozi, they're done done. Reply

[Tr1x24]

(01-15-2024, 04:32 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Mohawk and his sons were sticking to that territory for almost a year, they wouldn't coincidentally move off 50km into Kruger suddenly without any reason to do so.

Thats debatable.

They might just "matured" and finally got confident enough to leave natal area and go search for their own territory.

Even if Kambulas didnt come, NK young males would eventually left their natal area, they wouldnt challenge BDMs, as overtaking natal area and pride very rarely happens in situation like that. Reply

[KM600]

(01-15-2024, 10:14 AM)Mapokser Wrote:

(01-15-2024, 06:51 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(01-15-2024, 04:32 AM)Mapokser Wrote: @KM600 Mohawk and NK males left after Kambulas arrived and started roaring. Even if they didn't chase them off, they're clearly the reason they left.

Mohawk and his sons were sticking to that territory for almost a year, they wouldn't coincidentally move off 50km into Kruger suddenly without any reason to do so.

This makes zero sense as Mohawk/sons were caught on video a few times roaring around Nkorho at the same time Kambula males were also in the area, I remember sending in the videos and asking how they’ve managed to avoid each other. And them moving that far into KNP is more likely their own doing, Kambula males certainly didn’t send them that far packing even if they did put pressure on them without going into KNP themselves. 

It’s like when the Kambula males first went into Northern Sabi Sands after focusing on Umkumbe/Londolozi and parts of the West, nobody knows why it happened, it just happened. Kambula males can’t even oust the only two dominant males in Northern Sabi Sands so I doubt they could successfully oust Mohawk/sons within that short a time frame.

After what, one, two weeks, they vanished for good? Seeing them roaring once or twice after the arrival of Kambulas means nothing.

Again, I'm not saying Kambulas chased them, but their arrival and 4 roars surely was the last incentive they needed to leave. Prior to that they had never went fully nomadic and at best would hangout on the Manyeleti and Kruger border, now they are 50km into Kruger, it's far from a coincidence.

And what do you mean they can't oust the BDM? They have done it already, the BDM has no claims on the land anymore, they are low profile since their last clash when the northern guide said he saw the BDM south after the clash, saying his bet was that Kambulas chased them, they are a duo of Tumbelas now, wandering around their previous territor. The PCM have gone out of their incredibly vast territory to chase the Kambulas off, do you think the BDM, if still territorial, are just coincidentally unable to find the Kambulas? They aren't, they are avoiding them. Once the Kambulas arrived the BDM quickly found them and went to deal with them, initially seemingly succeeding, but soon were outmatched and now are nomads.

And BDM > Mohawk/sons, the BDM were territorial, the dominant males, NK and Mohawk would avoid and get chased by BDM so it's the opposite, if Mohawk and his sons couldn't deal with the BDM, they wouldn't want to stick around the Kambulas who ousted the BDM with little effort... hell K4 was patrolling and roaring alone for possibly weeks ( to a point Singita thought their pride was down to 3 brothers and the sister ) and the BDM, after their defeat, didn't even try to sneak on the solo Kambula male... I don't even remember the last time we saw the BDM patrolling, roaring or scent-marking, and their last sightings had all been on Singita or Londolozi, they're done done.

Never said Mohawk/sons were a stronger coalition compared to the BDMs but they would’ve been as hard if not harder to oust compared to the BDMs due to them not sticking in one spot. Also the last sighting of the BDMs was around a few days ago in ChitwaChitwa so they’re clearly not as gone as u seem to think, they’re never going to leave until the Kambula males oust them, if they oust them. 

Furthermore the point about the BDMs no longer being territorial because they haven’t had further interactions with Kambulas directly contradicts ur point about Kambula now being the main, dominant coalition in the North. If there’s been no further interactions it’s because both coalitions are avoiding each other, I’d argue Kambulas more as they moved back into Londolozi and since go back and forth. Reply

[Mapokser]

@KM600 Kambulas aren't avoiding them, they don't find the BDM because the BDM are low profile, not roaring. Kambulas are roaring, patrolling and scent-marking.

BDM being sighted in Chitwa Chitwa means nothing, like I said, they are like Tumbela and Mohawk now, they are not territorial. Reply

[Mapokser]

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[Tonpa]

Kruger Male on Djuma, just on the Buffelshoek border

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[Tr1x24]

Ximhungwe might be back in estrus, as PCMs are "inspecting" her, that would be good :

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[Mapokser]

According to Facebook, Ranger Coman Mnisi has said that the BDM were spending the last few days in Singita, but were chased by the PCM, and going by the tracks, they also chased the Kambulas.

NK Breakaways were also sighted in Singita with a kill.

PCM have their paws full right now with the BDM spending time in their territory and the Kambulas seemingly never leaving part of Singita for good. Reply

[KM600]

(01-17-2024, 03:01 AM)Mapokser Wrote: PCM have their paws full right now with the BDM spending time in their territory and the Kambulas seemingly never leaving part of Singita for good.

As long as they stay together, they’ll be fine. As for the intruding coalitions, PCMs are really not the lions u want to mess with. Reply

[sanjay]

I have seen some complain on this thread regarding disrespect. Please keep the debate respectful and calm. Reply

[KM600]

Don’t believe it’s confirmed yet but this would be very interesting, in the comments below LionLovers said there were supposedly 6 males and one female. So if it is the Talamatis, both of them should be together. Hopefully it gets confirmed soon cos I’ve missed these two boys especially with Mohawk/sons also going into KNP recently. 

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[afortich]

Kruger male, video complementing the photo above by @Tonpa 

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