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(02-25-2015, 02:55 AM)GrizzlyClaws Wrote: Most websites commonly cited the 9.8 meters individual caught off the coast of Japan as the largest specimen ever recorded.
Does anyone here know its exact weight? And if it is a reliable source?
Body size of the orca (different populations):
When this topic was created very few information was available and must of us only used the often repeated statements in the web. However, through the investigation and with the help of other posters I manage to found more information, which helped me to dig even more on this topic. At the end, I manage to found a good amount of sources and records from several areas that shows that orcas are as diverse as other animal populations, like tigers for example. The only difference is that officially there are not subspecies stated and only one species is recognized. So, based in the information that I found I can make this summary.
Before to start we must take in count these facts:
The sexual maturity of the males is at around 15 years old, although they do not start actually breeding until 21 years; the maturity is also reached when specimens measure over 6 meters in length. For females, the sexual maturity reaches at 10 years but may start breeding normally until 20 years old; the length of mature females is normally over 5.5 meters long.
This information was obtained from Best et al. (2010), Ward et al. (2019) and Cawardine (2001). Best et al. (2010) focused his report of orcas from South Africa. However, during the investigation, I found that some specimens were classified as “adults” at smaller lengths, probably because like any other animals, there are short ones that are adults and shorter ones that are still young, so this must not surprise us.
1 – Southern hemisphere:
Specimens from the southern hemisphere are now classified in five groups, however this was not the case in the old days of whaling and many of the samples have mixed specimens and only with the efforts of Biologist that studied that information we can get a more or less good idea of the size of those populations.
Mikhalev et al. (1981) presented a very good sample of orcas hunted in the Antarctica region, and based in Pitman et al. (2007) it seems that these orcas belong to the Type A, arguably the biggest orca population at this moment (on average at least). The presented figures are these:
* Males: Average 726 cm – n=205 – range: 450 – 900 cm.
* Females: Average 642 cm – n=118 – range= 370 – 770 cm.
It is clear that some immature specimens were included in the lower ranges, which means that the overall average may be somewhat bigger, probably over 750 cm in males and over 650 cm in females, but that is just speculation.
Also Mikhalev et al. (1981) reported average figures for males and females, depending of the regions, but the difference is no more than 35 cm (practically nothing in animals of over 6 meters of length) and the issue that the four forms were not separated completely separated, makes this differences irrelevant, and also by the fact that most, if not all the specimens are probably of type A, as Pitman mentioned.
There is no clear information about the difference of the Type B (large and small forms), so they are just estimated to be smaller than the Type A and bigger than Type C.
Now, about Type C/Ross Sea, Pitman et al. (2007) presented an study using photogrammetry and he got the following measurements:
* Males: Average 560 cm – n=64 – range: 490 – 610 cm.
* Females: Average 520 cm – n=33 – range= 460 – 580 cm.
At this moment, this is the smallest population known, it predates mainly in fish.
Finally about the Type D, I could not found any information, but probably is about the same size than the small form of Type B.
Best et al. (2010) made a full study about the orca population in South Africa, and based in the measurements these are probably from the Type A, he did not presented averages, but mode and ranges, here are the results:
* Males: Range from 290 to 881 cm – n=37 – mode between 750 to 799 cm.
* Females: Range from 300 to 790 – n=16 – mode between 650 to 699 cm.
This means that the average length will be between 770 cm in males and 670 cm in females, close to the figures reported by Mikhalev et al. (1981).
Under this investigation and taking over 470 specimens measured, the biggest male recorded in this area was of 900 cm and the biggest female of 770 cm. Skinner & Chimimba (2006) quote it as 910 cm in males and 760 cm in females, but that is an error. COSEWIC (2008) Baird (2002) quotes these specimens as the biggest reliably recorded and quote the correct figures from Mikhalev et al. (1981)
About weights I could found only 4 figures, two males (one probably immature based in the measurements):
1 - Length of 482 cm and weight of 1,434 kg.
2 - Length of 593 cm and weight of 3,166 kg.
Both specimens were from the southwest region of the Indian Ocean (Skinner & Chimimba, 2006).
There is a record from “Old Tom” from New Zealand that measured 670 cm in total length, Wikipedia says that it weighed 6,000 kg, but with my best efforts, I could not found any source with this figure. The final came from a male of 8,000 kg from Tomilin (1967; in Skinner & Chimimba, 2006), although it seems an estimation and the fact that I could not found the original source, Tomilin also is used for other information about the oil amount obtained from orcas in the Antarctic, which suggest that this could be based in a real figure too.
2 - Northern hemisphere
From the northern hemisphere we have other studies and not from few specimens. Modern studies present three types in the Pacific and two in the Atlantic. The north Pacific population is the must studied of all, specifically the resident ones. One of the best books of orcas (“Orca the whale called killer”, from Erich Hoyt in 1981 and other subsequent editions) is about this population.
Duffield & Miller (1988) mention the following ranges:
* Males: 650 – 750 cm – n=17
* Females: 580 – 640 cm – n=20
However these ranges are a mix of wild-caught specimens in the Pacific coasts of Canada and USA its subsequent growing in captivity, so they are not useful for comparison. The big male of 750 cm reached that size after some years in captivity.
Fearnbach et al. (2011), using photogrammetry got a good sample of animals and several re-measurements of the same specimens, all from the coasts of the Washington state, USA. Using this data, they got an asymptotic average of 6.9 +/- 0.2 m in adult males and 6.0 +/- 0.1 m in adult females. The longest male measured 720 cm and the longest female. Now, using the measurements in the Table one I got the following averages:
* Males over 15 years old: Average 623 cm – n=10 – range: 500 – 720 cm.
* Females over 10 years old: Average 593 cm – n=38 – range= 370 – 640 cm.
These averages seems smaller because some specimens were smaller than the figures reported by Best et al. (2010) for mature specimens, but correspond to the ages of sexual maturity reported by Ward et al. (2019) and Cawardine (2001), showing that the resident orcas from the north Pacific are smaller than those from Type A from South Africa.
Hoyt (2013; reedition of 1981) reported that from 16 adults stranded in the Vancouver Island in 1945, the males average less than 23 ft (7 m) and the females less than 20 ft (6.1 m). And Fing (2016) reported the maximum lengths from males in the region at:
* Resident males: Up to 701 cm – n=38.
* Transient (Bigg’s) males: 760 cm – n=20.
*Offshore males: 620 cm – n=12.
Based in the study of Fing (2016), the transient orcas are bigger than all the populations, while the residents are bigger than the offshore, although the difference is not too big no average. Take in count that the sample mix males and females and even then, the ranges in the transient orcas are bigger in all the cases.
On the other side of the Pacific we found another large sample from the waters of Japan. The study came from Nishiwaki & Handa (1958), but as I was unable to found the original source I used Heptner et al. (1996) and checking other sources where this Japanese study is used the quote from the Russian source is accurate. The values presented are:
* Males: Average 640 cm – n=320 – range: Max 945 cm – Mode between 550 – 760 cm.
* Females: Average 610 cm – n=247 – range= Max 823 cm – Mode between 550 – 670 cm.
This sample shows animals that on average are smaller than the Type A from Antarctica, but the maximum figures are higher. Now, based in the average and the fact that the authors said that most of the kills of this orcas were fish, we can guess that these orcas are probably offshore populations, but the same authors also said that the biggest orcas feed on mammals, which is a characteristic of the Transient ones, so probably we have a mix of populations here, but as far I checked, not even Pitman et al. (2007) presented a clarification on this.
Under this investigation and taking almost 670 specimens measured, the biggest male recorded in this area was of 945 cm and the biggest female of 823 cm, both from Japan. In North America the biggest male reached 760 cm in the transient population.
On the weights, I got two specimens from Japan and two from USA/Alaska Pacific coast:
* Male: 765 cm in length – 6,600 kg – Japan.
* Female: 658 cm in length – 4,700 kg – Japan.
* Male: 604 cm in length – 4,000 kg – North America.
* Female: 635 cm in length – 3,100 kg – North America.
Sources: COSEWIC (2008 - Japan) and Heyning & Dahlheim (1988 – North America).
From the population of the North Atlantic, there are two types, both in the Eastern area. The studies are available, one from Jonsgard & Lynshoel (1970) and other from Christensen (1984). While I could not found the study of Christensen, I did found the one from Jonsgard & Lynshoel, both studies were made in the Norwegian region and Iceland.
The study of Jonsgard & Lynshoel (1970), from a sample of 1413, shows the following data:
From 891 males, the mode is of 670 cm (group of 135 specimens). Also from this sample only 4 specimens exceeded 30 ft (920 cm), the largest was of 32 ft (980 cm).
From 494 females, the mode is of 579 cm (group of 84 specimens). Also from this sample only 2 specimens exceeded 26 ft (790 cm), the largest was of 28 ft (850 cm).
Now, the study itself clarify that some of those measurements are actually estimations and they found that the deviation between the real measurements and the estimations made was +/- 2 feet (61 cm). However, the fact that most are estimation can’t be ruled out and Baird (2002) reported that those two extreme measurements (980 cm for male and 850 cm for female) are not real measurements. Finally Hoyt (2013) put the final stone in the grave, corroborating that the biggest orcas on record are a male of 31.5 ft (960 cm) and an estimated weight of 9 tons, while the biggest female was of 27 ft (820 cm) and an estimated weight between 5 to 6 tons, both specimens from Japan; interestingly these are the same maximum figures quoted by Nowak (1999) in Walker’s Mammals of the World.
Check this graphic from Jonsgard & Lynshoel (1970), showing all the specimens, probably the average will be about the same than that of the Antarctic Type A, if we include the other adult specimens:
*This image is copyright of its original author
The information that I got from Christensen (1984) came from AMMPA (2017) and Guinet & Bouvier (1995). It only mentions that the average male measure between 580 to 670 cm, while the average female is between 490 to 580 cm, with a maximum of 700 cm. Until I found the original source I can’t provide other details.
I could not found any weight from this area, but certainly the Eastern North Atlantic Type 2 is one of the biggest orcas, and may match the Antarctic Type A. However the issue here is that the record male and female are not real measurements but estimations and there is a possibility that the male and female could have measured as low as 919 cm and 789 cm respectively. Interestingly the biggest orca from this region, accepted by Pitman et al (2007) is a male of 920 cm from Norway.
Conclusion:
In the Antarctic region, the biggest male recorded was of 900 cm and the biggest female of 770 cm. From the North Pacific region the biggest male recorded of 945 cm and the biggest female of 823 cm, both from Japan; in North America the biggest male reached 760 cm in the transient population. And from the North Atlantic, the biggest male recorded of 980 cm and the biggest female of 850 cm, but both could be a low as 919 cm and 789 cm respectively as were estimations. However let’s remember that Jonsgard & Lynshoel (1970) found that from 1413 specimens only 6 specimens surpassed the 30 ft and the 27 ft, so the existence of this large specimens is comparably rare, while normally most of the specimens of the large populations (Antarctic Type A and Pacific Type 2) will be over 7 meters in males and 6 in females, like Hoyt (2013) believed. The smaller population, Type C of Antarctic, with 560 cm in males and 520 cm in females, represent the lowest values, and all the other populations range between these figures.
About the weights, all the specimens that we have are below the averages except one (male of 765 cm and 6,600 kg), which means that an average male will weigh about 6,000 kg and an average female about 4,000 kg.
So just by mere curiosity, applying the isometric escalations that we have used for other mammals, and using the few specimens available with actual measurements and weights (4 males and 2 females), the figures that I got for the largest specimens are these:
Male 900 cm – 11,096 kg
Female 770 cm – 6,529.5 kg
Male 945 cm – 12,845 kg
Female 823 cm – 7,972.7 kg
Male 980 cm – 14,325.8 kg
Female 850 cm – 8,783.4 kg
Personally I think that in this case the figures are too high, especially by the fact that the maximum weights normally quoted range between 8,000 kg to 10,000 kg in males and between 5,000 to 6,000 kg in females. But this just gives an idea of how heavy an orca may be.
So this is the summary about all the sized and weights of wild orcas that I could found, hope this help to clarify the question.
Greetings to all.
Hello, I'm a Biology major in his 4th year who eventually plans on becoming a cetologist. I found this thread very interesting and informative! I also have a contribution I wish to give as a bit of an update regarding some of this information
First off I want to address new information available regarding the size estimates for the Bigg's/Transient Killer whales (BKW). I've noticed the Fing study reported a maximum length of 7.6 meters for males, but most of the literature I've seen (including one of the charts you've posted), reported a full 8 meters. Until recently, I couldn't find any primary sources to corroborate that claim.
This dissertation encompasses a study where photogrammetry data for the total body lengths were collected in a comparable manner as Fearnbach et al. (2011), where the estimated body lengths of previously identified BKWs were compared to the Southern Resident Killer Whales (SRKW) measured in 2011. The data here suggest Transients are a bit bigger than what Fing (2016) reported. 86 whales were sampled, with confirmed females (n=41) ranging from a 2.4m first-year to a 7.1m 33-year old; confirmed males (n=26) ranging from a 4.8m 4-year-old to a 8.3m 38-year-old bull; and unknowns (n=19) varying from a 2.9m first-year and a 5.7m 11-year-old.
Here's the summary of the data for the adult sample of BKW 15 years and over:
These results were significantly different from the sizes of SRKW from Fearnbach et al. (2011), where females averaged 6.0m with a maximum of 6.4m and males averaged 6.9m with a maximum of 7.2m. So it appears that Bigg's Killer whales are also a fairly large ecotype, overlapping a fair bit to Type A's size distributions.
In addition to this, I have more to elaborate on from Mark Carwardine's Handbook of Whales, Dolphins, and Porpoises of the World (2019).
In his section on killer whales, he cites 9.8 meters as the maximum length at 10 tonnes, a common report for the Japanese specimen that was likely anywhere from 9.4-9.6 meters. Interestingly, he assigns the 9.8m individual to the Bigg's/transient ecotype. The initial assumption for a while was that this Japanese specimen was an offshore killer whale. However, given that the offshore orca's maximum recorded length lies well below 7 meters, I believe it was fair for Carwardine to assign the Japanese specimen to some population of BKW as that the dissertation I cite reveals the BKWs to much more closely resemble the size distributions of other populations with 9+ meter outliers like the Type A ecotype. I understand that any designation would ultimately be an assumption, but I feel this is the best assumption given the level of ambiguity for any differentiating morphological or dietary characters for that particular specimen.
One last thing I want to discuss regards the designations for the ecotypes of the North Atlantic. According to Carwardine's handbook, the ''Type 1'' generalists and the ''Type 2'' mammal-hunting ecotype designations are challenged as no longer being accepted for the Northeast Atlantic. These are historical designations are based on museum specimens and stranded specimens. The North Atlantic is a bit more complex, with many understudied populations. Even amongst these ecotypes listed below, there's possible further division. As a result of these newer groupings, ecotype-level size distributions for the North Atlantic may look different from what we normally cite. These are the divisions based more closely on direct research.
Icelandic Summer-spawning Herring feeders
Distribution: Iceland and Scotland, not much contemporary movement to Norway, but genetically are clustered with the Norwegian-herring feeders.
Diet: Summer-spawning herring ( some specialize on them year-round, others feed seasonally or opportunistically), harbor seals, long-finned pilot whales, minke whales, white-beaked dolphins, halibut, salmon, ottters, seabirds, and squid. However, for some of these prey, it's ambiguous if all of these were observations of herring-feeders.
Sizes: Average at 6.3m for males and 5.9m for females. Max 6.6m
Physically indiscernible from Norwegian herring-feeders.
Population: 432 identified individuals
Norwegian Spring-spawning Herring-feeders
Distribution: Norway and Lofoten Islands, typically follow the movements of their titular prey.
Diet: Primarily Herring, mackerel, cod, salmon, squid, and harbor porpoise. Some reports of seal-hunting.
Sizes: Average at 6.2m for males, and 5.5m for females. Max 6.6m
Population: At least 1,000 in coastal waters when herring's abundant. Probably 7,000 in open sea during the 1980's.
Northeast Atlantic Mackerel-feeders
Distribution: Throughout the North, Irish, Norwegian, and Arctic seas.
Diet: Mackerel, still some blanks to fill
Size: Average at 6.3 for males, 5.9 for females. Max 6.6m
Population: At least 271, most certainly much larger.
West Coast Community
Distribution: UK and Ireland
Diet: Little understood, mainly harbor seals and porpoises.
Size: Average for males is unknown, females average at 6.1m. Max is unknown
Population: One pod with only 8 members left, no calves have been reported in 2 decades. Two other possible pods were sighted along the UK.
Similar to Bigg's and Type A orcas.
Strait of Gibraltar Bluefin-Tuna Eaters
Distribution: Gulf of Cadiz, southern Spain, Strait of Gibraltar. Sometimes sighted in the Mediterranean and may possibly follow Bluefin tuna into the eastern North Atlantic.
Diet: Bluefin Tuna and at least one pod opportunistically feed on coastal fish species.
Size: Average for males is 6m, females at 5.3m. Max is unknown.
Population: 30-40
Northwest Atlantic
Distribution: Mainly spotted off of Greenland, Newfoundland, and Labrador. Less often seen off the Scotian Shelf, Nova Scotia, Gulf of St. Lawrence, and New Brunswick.
12-20-2020, 04:32 AM( This post was last modified: 12-20-2020, 04:38 AM by peter )
Callmejoe
Very interesting first post, Joe. Much appreciated. Some members no doubt want to know a bit more about the essentials of cetology. Please inform us when you have time. And welcome to Wildfact!
Here is a very informational chart containing Measurements from taken from Killer whales (Orcinus Orca):; The largest Killer whale From this chart weighed in at 4554 kg.
(09-03-2020, 04:33 AM)GuateGojira Wrote: Body size of the orca (different populations):
When this topic was created very few information was available and must of us only used the often repeated statements in the web. However, through the investigation and with the help of other posters I manage to found more information, which helped me to dig even more on this topic. At the end, I manage to found a good amount of sources and records from several areas that shows that orcas are as diverse as other animal populations, like tigers for example. The only difference is that officially there are not subspecies stated and only one species is recognized. So, based in the information that I found I can make this summary.
Before to start we must take in count these facts:
The sexual maturity of the males is at around 15 years old, although they do not start actually breeding until 21 years; the maturity is also reached when specimens measure over 6 meters in length. For females, the sexual maturity reaches at 10 years but may start breeding normally until 20 years old; the length of mature females is normally over 5.5 meters long.
This information was obtained from Best et al. (2010), Ward et al. (2019) and Cawardine (2001). Best et al. (2010) focused his report of orcas from South Africa. However, during the investigation, I found that some specimens were classified as “adults” at smaller lengths, probably because like any other animals, there are short ones that are adults and shorter ones that are still young, so this must not surprise us.
1 – Southern hemisphere:
Specimens from the southern hemisphere are now classified in five groups, however this was not the case in the old days of whaling and many of the samples have mixed specimens and only with the efforts of Biologist that studied that information we can get a more or less good idea of the size of those populations.
Mikhalev et al. (1981) presented a very good sample of orcas hunted in the Antarctica region, and based in Pitman et al. (2007) it seems that these orcas belong to the Type A, arguably the biggest orca population at this moment (on average at least). The presented figures are these:
* Males: Average 726 cm – n=205 – range: 450 – 900 cm.
* Females: Average 642 cm – n=118 – range= 370 – 770 cm.
It is clear that some immature specimens were included in the lower ranges, which means that the overall average may be somewhat bigger, probably over 750 cm in males and over 650 cm in females, but that is just speculation.
Also Mikhalev et al. (1981) reported average figures for males and females, depending of the regions, but the difference is no more than 35 cm (practically nothing in animals of over 6 meters of length) and the issue that the four forms were not separated completely separated, makes this differences irrelevant, and also by the fact that most, if not all the specimens are probably of type A, as Pitman mentioned.
There is no clear information about the difference of the Type B (large and small forms), so they are just estimated to be smaller than the Type A and bigger than Type C.
Now, about Type C/Ross Sea, Pitman et al. (2007) presented an study using photogrammetry and he got the following measurements:
* Males: Average 560 cm – n=64 – range: 490 – 610 cm.
* Females: Average 520 cm – n=33 – range= 460 – 580 cm.
At this moment, this is the smallest population known, it predates mainly in fish.
Finally about the Type D, I could not found any information, but probably is about the same size than the small form of Type B.
Best et al. (2010) made a full study about the orca population in South Africa, and based in the measurements these are probably from the Type A, he did not presented averages, but mode and ranges, here are the results:
* Males: Range from 290 to 881 cm – n=37 – mode between 750 to 799 cm.
* Females: Range from 300 to 790 – n=16 – mode between 650 to 699 cm.
This means that the average length will be between 770 cm in males and 670 cm in females, close to the figures reported by Mikhalev et al. (1981).
Under this investigation and taking over 470 specimens measured, the biggest male recorded in this area was of 900 cm and the biggest female of 770 cm. Skinner & Chimimba (2006) quote it as 910 cm in males and 760 cm in females, but that is an error. COSEWIC (2008) Baird (2002) quotes these specimens as the biggest reliably recorded and quote the correct figures from Mikhalev et al. (1981)
About weights I could found only 4 figures, two males (one probably immature based in the measurements):
1 - Length of 482 cm and weight of 1,434 kg.
2 - Length of 593 cm and weight of 3,166 kg.
Both specimens were from the southwest region of the Indian Ocean (Skinner & Chimimba, 2006).
There is a record from “Old Tom” from New Zealand that measured 670 cm in total length, Wikipedia says that it weighed 6,000 kg, but with my best efforts, I could not found any source with this figure. The final came from a male of 8,000 kg from Tomilin (1967; in Skinner & Chimimba, 2006), although it seems an estimation and the fact that I could not found the original source, Tomilin also is used for other information about the oil amount obtained from orcas in the Antarctic, which suggest that this could be based in a real figure too.
2 - Northern hemisphere
From the northern hemisphere we have other studies and not from few specimens. Modern studies present three types in the Pacific and two in the Atlantic. The north Pacific population is the must studied of all, specifically the resident ones. One of the best books of orcas (“Orca the whale called killer”, from Erich Hoyt in 1981 and other subsequent editions) is about this population.
Duffield & Miller (1988) mention the following ranges:
* Males: 650 – 750 cm – n=17
* Females: 580 – 640 cm – n=20
However these ranges are a mix of wild-caught specimens in the Pacific coasts of Canada and USA its subsequent growing in captivity, so they are not useful for comparison. The big male of 750 cm reached that size after some years in captivity.
Fearnbach et al. (2011), using photogrammetry got a good sample of animals and several re-measurements of the same specimens, all from the coasts of the Washington state, USA. Using this data, they got an asymptotic average of 6.9 +/- 0.2 m in adult males and 6.0 +/- 0.1 m in adult females. The longest male measured 720 cm and the longest female. Now, using the measurements in the Table one I got the following averages:
* Males over 15 years old: Average 623 cm – n=10 – range: 500 – 720 cm.
* Females over 10 years old: Average 593 cm – n=38 – range= 370 – 640 cm.
These averages seems smaller because some specimens were smaller than the figures reported by Best et al. (2010) for mature specimens, but correspond to the ages of sexual maturity reported by Ward et al. (2019) and Cawardine (2001), showing that the resident orcas from the north Pacific are smaller than those from Type A from South Africa.
Hoyt (2013; reedition of 1981) reported that from 16 adults stranded in the Vancouver Island in 1945, the males average less than 23 ft (7 m) and the females less than 20 ft (6.1 m). And Fing (2016) reported the maximum lengths from males in the region at:
* Resident males: Up to 701 cm – n=38.
* Transient (Bigg’s) males: 760 cm – n=20.
*Offshore males: 620 cm – n=12.
Based in the study of Fing (2016), the transient orcas are bigger than all the populations, while the residents are bigger than the offshore, although the difference is not too big no average. Take in count that the sample mix males and females and even then, the ranges in the transient orcas are bigger in all the cases.
On the other side of the Pacific we found another large sample from the waters of Japan. The study came from Nishiwaki & Handa (1958), but as I was unable to found the original source I used Heptner et al. (1996) and checking other sources where this Japanese study is used the quote from the Russian source is accurate. The values presented are:
* Males: Average 640 cm – n=320 – range: Max 945 cm – Mode between 550 – 760 cm.
* Females: Average 610 cm – n=247 – range= Max 823 cm – Mode between 550 – 670 cm.
This sample shows animals that on average are smaller than the Type A from Antarctica, but the maximum figures are higher. Now, based in the average and the fact that the authors said that most of the kills of this orcas were fish, we can guess that these orcas are probably offshore populations, but the same authors also said that the biggest orcas feed on mammals, which is a characteristic of the Transient ones, so probably we have a mix of populations here, but as far I checked, not even Pitman et al. (2007) presented a clarification on this.
Under this investigation and taking almost 670 specimens measured, the biggest male recorded in this area was of 945 cm and the biggest female of 823 cm, both from Japan. In North America the biggest male reached 760 cm in the transient population.
On the weights, I got two specimens from Japan and two from USA/Alaska Pacific coast:
* Male: 765 cm in length – 6,600 kg – Japan.
* Female: 658 cm in length – 4,700 kg – Japan.
* Male: 604 cm in length – 4,000 kg – North America.
* Female: 635 cm in length – 3,100 kg – North America.
Sources: COSEWIC (2008 - Japan) and Heyning & Dahlheim (1988 – North America).
From the population of the North Atlantic, there are two types, both in the Eastern area. The studies are available, one from Jonsgard & Lynshoel (1970) and other from Christensen (1984). While I could not found the study of Christensen, I did found the one from Jonsgard & Lynshoel, both studies were made in the Norwegian region and Iceland.
The study of Jonsgard & Lynshoel (1970), from a sample of 1413, shows the following data:
From 891 males, the mode is of 670 cm (group of 135 specimens). Also from this sample only 4 specimens exceeded 30 ft (920 cm), the largest was of 32 ft (980 cm).
From 494 females, the mode is of 579 cm (group of 84 specimens). Also from this sample only 2 specimens exceeded 26 ft (790 cm), the largest was of 28 ft (850 cm).
Now, the study itself clarify that some of those measurements are actually estimations and they found that the deviation between the real measurements and the estimations made was +/- 2 feet (61 cm). However, the fact that most are estimation can’t be ruled out and Baird (2002) reported that those two extreme measurements (980 cm for male and 850 cm for female) are not real measurements. Finally Hoyt (2013) put the final stone in the grave, corroborating that the biggest orcas on record are a male of 31.5 ft (960 cm) and an estimated weight of 9 tons, while the biggest female was of 27 ft (820 cm) and an estimated weight between 5 to 6 tons, both specimens from Japan; interestingly these are the same maximum figures quoted by Nowak (1999) in Walker’s Mammals of the World.
Check this graphic from Jonsgard & Lynshoel (1970), showing all the specimens, probably the average will be about the same than that of the Antarctic Type A, if we include the other adult specimens:
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
The information that I got from Christensen (1984) came from AMMPA (2017) and Guinet & Bouvier (1995). It only mentions that the average male measure between 580 to 670 cm, while the average female is between 490 to 580 cm, with a maximum of 700 cm. Until I found the original source I can’t provide other details.
I could not found any weight from this area, but certainly the Eastern North Atlantic Type 2 is one of the biggest orcas, and may match the Antarctic Type A. However the issue here is that the record male and female are not real measurements but estimations and there is a possibility that the male and female could have measured as low as 919 cm and 789 cm respectively. Interestingly the biggest orca from this region, accepted by Pitman et al (2007) is a male of 920 cm from Norway.
Conclusion:
In the Antarctic region, the biggest male recorded was of 900 cm and the biggest female of 770 cm. From the North Pacific region the biggest male recorded of 945 cm and the biggest female of 823 cm, both from Japan; in North America the biggest male reached 760 cm in the transient population. And from the North Atlantic, the biggest male recorded of 980 cm and the biggest female of 850 cm, but both could be a low as 919 cm and 789 cm respectively as were estimations. However let’s remember that Jonsgard & Lynshoel (1970) found that from 1413 specimens only 6 specimens surpassed the 30 ft and the 27 ft, so the existence of this large specimens is comparably rare, while normally most of the specimens of the large populations (Antarctic Type A and Pacific Type 2) will be over 7 meters in males and 6 in females, like Hoyt (2013) believed. The smaller population, Type C of Antarctic, with 560 cm in males and 520 cm in females, represent the lowest values, and all the other populations range between these figures.
About the weights, all the specimens that we have are below the averages except one (male of 765 cm and 6,600 kg), which means that an average male will weigh about 6,000 kg and an average female about 4,000 kg.
So just by mere curiosity, applying the isometric escalations that we have used for other mammals, and using the few specimens available with actual measurements and weights (4 males and 2 females), the figures that I got for the largest specimens are these:
Male 900 cm – 11,096 kg
Female 770 cm – 6,529.5 kg
Male 945 cm – 12,845 kg
Female 823 cm – 7,972.7 kg
Male 980 cm – 14,325.8 kg
Female 850 cm – 8,783.4 kg
Personally I think that in this case the figures are too high, especially by the fact that the maximum weights normally quoted range between 8,000 kg to 10,000 kg in males and between 5,000 to 6,000 kg in females. But this just gives an idea of how heavy an orca may be.
So this is the summary about all the sized and weights of wild orcas that I could found, hope this help to clarify the question.
Greetings to all.
Here I present my image of the size of the male orca from the "Type A" from Antartica, arguably the largest orcas in these days.
So I did some research. It turns out their may be a lot more weight data than we thought. According to Mikhalev, weights were recorded for about 95 specimens were taken by Soviet whalers. He provides a regression based off this data, but leaves no appendix. All we have is his max and min values. The max includes a data point for a 8.6m male that weighed 9.9 tonnes. He cites a few studies from Sleptstov for part of the dataset, but I couldn't find anything. I am gonna keep looking and here's the regression Mikhalev left.
BTW, I own the English translation to Tomilin's book. From the sound of it, and in light of the Soviet whalers actually weighing killer whales they caught it seems like he actually is citing a weight measurement.
Also, here's a pic from Mikhalev's book of Southern Hemisphere whales showing a female orca being weighed by a dynanometer.
(04-14-2022, 06:03 AM)callmejoe9 Wrote: BTW, I own the English translation to Tomilin's book. From the sound of it, and in light of the Soviet whalers actually weighing killer whales they caught it seems like he actually is citing a weight measurement.
Also, here's a pic from Mikhalev's book of Southern Hemisphere whales showing a female orca being weighed by a dynanometer.
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Magnificent, so that means that the weight of 9.9 tons that you mention before is a real weight! Thank you very much for this information.
By the way, the copy of Tomilin's book, you have it in physical or in digital form? If you have it in digital, may you please share it?
(04-14-2022, 01:39 AM)callmejoe9 Wrote: So I did some research. It turns out their may be a lot more weight data than we thought. According to Mikhalev, weights were recorded for about 95 specimens were taken by Soviet whalers. He provides a regression based off this data, but leaves no appendix. All we have is his max and min values. The max includes a data point for a 8.6m male that weighed 9.9 tonnes. He cites a few studies from Sleptstov for part of the dataset, but I couldn't find anything. I am gonna keep looking and here's the regression Mikhalev left.
Weight (tonnes)= 0.0183(Length in meters)^2.938
I will update my comparative image with this information.
I own a physical copy. I will definitely make time to scan it. The discovery I made is unfortunately a common scenario when it comes to data pertaining to cetology. A lot of informative Russian whaling data and literature is obscured. Either because the records end up being lost for a very long time before someone finds it again, or it's simply not translated/made available to those outside of Russia.
04-15-2022, 02:14 AM( This post was last modified: 04-15-2022, 02:37 AM by callmejoe9 )
@GuateGojira , One of the posts earlier in the thread led me to this source which is catalog of Russian museum specimens. Some of these include weight measurements taken upon captured specimens. There are two of these are for male killer whales caught in the Antarctic.
PARTIAL CATALOG OF CETACEAN OSTEOLOGICAL SPECIMENS IN RUSSIAN MUSEUMS
1 - Skull; M, BL 7.12m, WT 6.9t, CB 11Ocm; coll. 17 Feb 1974 by V. V. Sukhovyershin in Bellinghausen Sea, Antarctica.
2 - Skull and 48 teeth; M, BL 7.6m, WT 7.2t, CB 113cm; coll. 8 Mar 1967 by E. G. Sazhinov in Weddell Sea.
Since I lack an appendix for Mikhalev's data, I am making one for my own, based largely on the sources made passed around in this thread. I am only including the proper weighings and not estimates. I am also not including Tilikum since I can't be too sure about his actual weight when corresponding to his length. The only ones I have that are heavier than the 6,600kg whale cited by Yamada 2007 are the two whales I mentioned here and the 9.9-tonne specimen
I also know of 2 extant individuals that are estimated to approach the maximum size. One is CA165 ''Lonesome George'', Bigg's orca who is estimated at 30-33 feet. Another is a largest Northwest-Atlantic killer whale ''Old Thom'' (not to be confused with the famous Australian bull). Interestingly, both of them are famous loners. I wonder if there's a correlation between their large size and nonsocial behavior.
I am currently at a good point for my current regression on killer whale weights. I was able to find way more than I thought. I have compiled 72 data points for my sample. 34 of which came from the Bigg and Wolman paper and the Yamada 2007 study that a good friend helped me retrieve. Right now I am adding columns where I label the native region for all of my specimens as I have a good enough sample size to create regressions between sex, regions, and ecotypes. I made a comment about not using Tilikum's weight, but apparently he was used in a study in 2013 where his length and weight were officially measured at 6.9 meters and 5,318 kilograms. Not sure how in earlier years, his length was posted to be 26 feet. I always thought that was weird given his ecotype and the fact he allegedly reached that such a growth spurt so late in life.
Does anyone have the Handbook of Marine Mammal's volume 6, Second book of Dolphins and Porpoises @OrcaDaBest posted a chart from the killer whale chapter and I know that source also cited the 5568kg male and 3810kg female. I wanted to see if there's any mentioning of where these whales were from as I wanted to note the region and potentially their ecotype.
04-18-2022, 09:14 PM( This post was last modified: 04-18-2022, 09:15 PM by GuateGojira )
(04-18-2022, 04:56 AM)callmejoe9 Wrote: Does anyone have the Handbook of Marine Mammal's volume 6, Second book of Dolphins and Porpoises @OrcaDaBest posted a chart from the killer whale chapter and I know that source also cited the 5568kg male and 3810kg female. I wanted to see if there's any mentioning of where these whales were from as I wanted to note the region and potentially their ecotype
I only found it in Google books, but do not show all the pages. This is the relevant part and the complete table on the weights quoted, page 286-288-289 are just pictures, do not have any data:
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I could not see the entire chapter, but these are the relevant pages. Sadly it do not say if the specimens are wild or captive, but this is all what I could found. Page 293 and after it are not available, not in my side at least.
