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(09-26-2020, 10:35 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: Can't tell from the profile above but I wonder which one got killed.
Its not confirmed that injured male died..
On the picture based of mane its either Dominant or Orange Eyes..
Yeah, thanks for the correction. I jumped the gun there and assumed the worst. Based on the earlier video and their earlier location, the one in trouble would be Wide Nose.
I'm not sure who they could have fought but this puts the N'waswitshaka in a problem. If they have lost one member, their confidence will drop. Remember the Bboys stopped expanding their territory after losing Scrapper. They became content with 3 prides and only expanded little by little and they were still a 4 member force. The N'was would have to stay south instead of looking for more territory. 3 Males going north with no confidence and facing 2 Big Bad Bboys who might be old but are beasts in prime condition is not exactly a good idea and it's the same going east towards the S Avocas. It would also depend on which member they might have lost but things are looking bad for the new boys in town.
I also wouldn't be surprised if the Styx and Nkuhuma young male got involved with the N'was and managed to do damage. The Nk is 4 and the Styx is in the latter part of his 3rd year as far as we know. The Styx boy is pretty big for his age, his mane isn't very big but physically he is pretty large and recent sightings of the Nkuhuma male have really shown how bulky he has become as well. The Nkuhuma young male is also experienced in facing rival lions. He has been doing it since he was 2 years old. Remember what he did to Mohawks face when he got a hold of it and when he and Big Boy ganged up on Mohawk as well. The N'waswitshaka are not prime males, they are 5 year old. I think it's not completely impossible that it was them 2v2 or 2v1 each. However I doubt it was them.
I was never quite sold on the Nw's to be honest. They just don't have that confidence or the aura to step into an unknown area and stamp their authority. Any major confrontation with the Delaporte's was always gonna go down this way.
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(09-27-2020, 12:00 AM)sik94 Wrote: I was never quite sold on the Nw's to be honest. They just don't have that confidence or the aura to step into an unknown area and stamp their authority. Any major confrontation with the Delaporte's was always gonna go down this way.
In fact,the N'waswitshaka always have need a leader or co-leader like the BBoys,Matimba,Mapogo and Majingilane once had.
They really never weren't confident males as a coalition of four can be,the number,confidence,and the stregth was on his land
"Thomas More just confirmed that they did fight DeLaporte males."
Which two of the De Laportes?
" Remember the Bboys stopped expanding their territory after losing Scrapper. "
BBoys took over their 3 prides in later part of 2015 and there they stoped expansion. Scrapper died in later part of 2016.
"3 Males going north with no confidence and facing 2 Big Bad Bboys who might be old but are beasts in prime condition is not exactly a good idea and it's the same going east towards the S Avocas."
N'was also are coming into their prime. Why do you think N'was won't be able to compete with other adults even having numarical advantage? I think even 3 N'was would be favourites against both Birminghams and Avocas due to coalition numbers. I do not think either Avocas nor Birminghams are so beastly to easly chase out numerically superior adult oponents. That is if N'was already have enough confidence to take such fight which I bet they have as they are already terrytorial for the couple of months and should be already grown up to that role.
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(09-27-2020, 12:00 AM)sik94 Wrote: I was never quite sold on the Nw's to be honest. They just don't have that confidence or the aura to step into an unknown area and stamp their authority. Any major confrontation with the Delaporte's was always gonna go down this way.
That easly can be said also about De Laportes.
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(09-27-2020, 12:00 AM)sik94 Wrote: I was never quite sold on the Nw's to be honest. They just don't have that confidence or the aura to step into an unknown area and stamp their authority. Any major confrontation with the Delaporte's was always gonna go down this way.
That easly can be said also about De Laportes.
We don't know a lot about the Delaporte's but they are seasoned males. The fact that they did this to the Nw's is kind of proof you can't put them in the same category. I'd have to disagree here.
(09-27-2020, 12:00 AM)sik94 Wrote: I was never quite sold on the Nw's to be honest. They just don't have that confidence or the aura to step into an unknown area and stamp their authority. Any major confrontation with the Delaporte's was always gonna go down this way.
That easly can be said also about De Laportes.
The scenario is completely different.
since the arrival of the 4 N'waswitshaka males when they decided to involved on a "fight" they have fall on the hand of the Gowrie males and without counting that much earlier they were being chasing off by two male lions in KNP.
(09-27-2020, 12:00 AM)sik94 Wrote: I was never quite sold on the Nw's to be honest. They just don't have that confidence or the aura to step into an unknown area and stamp their authority. Any major confrontation with the Delaporte's was always gonna go down this way.
That easly can be said also about De Laportes.
We don't know a lot about the Delaporte's but they are seasoned males. The fact that they did this to the Nw's is kind of proof you can't put them in the same category. I'd have to disagree here.
Totally agree with you dear Silkander.
The DeLaporte are seasoned males (+-7 years old) the N'waswitshaka males just are (+-5 years) and if we talk on confidence,they never had it
(09-27-2020, 12:18 AM)Potato Wrote: "Thomas More just confirmed that they did fight DeLaporte males."
Which two of the De Laportes?
" Remember the Bboys stopped expanding their territory after losing Scrapper. "
BBoys took over their 3 prides in later part of 2015 and there they stoped expansion. Scrapper died in later part of 2016.
"3 Males going north with no confidence and facing 2 Big Bad Bboys who might be old but are beasts in prime condition is not exactly a good idea and it's the same going east towards the S Avocas."
N'was also are coming into their prime. Why do you think N'was won't be able to compete with other adults even having numarical advantage? I think even 3 N'was would be favourites against both Birminghams and Avocas due to coalition numbers. I do not think either Avocas nor Birminghams are so beastly to easly chase out numerically superior adult oponents. That is if N'was already have enough confidence to take such fight which I bet they have as they are already terrytorial for the couple of months and should be already grown up to that role.
Wrong the Bboys were seen in the Northern parts of Londolozi in the start of 2016. It was even speculated that the Bboys were the ones who mauled ginger in 2016 as they were seen expanding and were seen in Elephant Plains at the time. They were also pushing back the Selati north and were coming further and further into Mala Mala Game Reserve. You're also wrong that scrapper died in the latter half of 2016. He died in April and was injured since March. Like I said once and I'll say it again. The Birminghams stopped expanding after scrapper died. Thank you. Your second point, do you think 3 N'waswitshaka are going to be as confident as 4? Do you think 3 has a better chance against the Bboys and East against the S Avocas than 4 do? Numbers doesn't always play the part. Look at the Vurhami vs the Mjejane. 6v3 became 2v3 in less than a few months. Confidence, attitude and experience sometimes plays the bigger role in lion warfare. The Mapogos weren't easily able to takeover because of just being 6v4 but because they were aggressive and had an 8 year old monster leader and 3 were heading into their 6th year, if 6 lions the same like the N'waswitshaka entered the territory of 4 Males like the Bboys, I doubt it would have gone as swiftly. Same goes here. I'm not saying they won't have a successful future because lions are unpredictable but that's how most battles go.
