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Pantherinae · 04-28-2015, 06:56 AM

I remember it from a book do not remember which... But I know I have atleast one more picture of it.. Age and individuals was not mention, but by the looks I can tell the are East African lions, most likely Serengeti I'll find the picture tomorrow:-) and maybe find the book.

Spalea · 04-28-2015, 03:58 PM

@"Majingilane" @Pantherinae This photo was from the book of a japanese photograph... "Serengeti" by Mitsuaki Iwago. And if you can enjoy it you will see that finally this was a fight of two lions against one. This photo shows the last bite... The most spectacular and famous photo of the serie.

Pantherinae · 04-28-2015, 05:08 PM

yeah right that's the name of the book! Any chance you have the page so you can post it here? Would really appreciate it. Because i always thought it was a 1v1 fight because i have just seen two lions in the pictures! but I was wrong sorry about that...... Very cool pictures though!

Tshokwane · 04-28-2015, 05:31 PM

This maybe one of the other pictures, I don't know how many are, but it's a cool image.

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Pantherinae · 05-09-2015, 08:03 PM

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Tshokwane · 05-12-2015, 10:03 PM

Jaguar Fight. It doesn't look very serious, but it's great to see them fighting a little bit.

Pckts · 05-12-2015, 10:36 PM

(05-12-2015, 10:03 PM)'Majingilane' Wrote: Jaguar Fight. It doesn't look very serious, but it's great to see them fighting a little bit.

If you want to see a pretty serious jag fight, there is a captive one between black jaguar pair and a standard jaguar pair.
Gives you a good idea of their speed and power but its captive so i will resist posting it here unless you guys want to see it.

A side note, the BlackJaguarWhiteTiger guy that i post a lot of his pics always says that lb for lb jags are the best fighters he has seen. He says they are ruthless and extremely strong.

Tshokwane · 05-12-2015, 11:15 PM

I only saw cubs or at least young felines at the BlackJaguarWhiteTiger facebook page, so I couldn't catch where he said that about the jaguars.
And to the captive ones, I saw two videos of a pair play fighting, but not a more serious fight.
I don't want to especulate much about it, but jaguar behaviour is pretty much like leopard or tiger behaviour, right?

Pckts · 05-13-2015, 12:02 AM

(05-12-2015, 11:15 PM)'Majingilane' Wrote: I only saw cubs or at least young felines at the BlackJaguarWhiteTiger facebook page, so I couldn't catch where he said that about the jaguars.
And to the captive ones, I saw two videos of a pair play fighting, but not a more serious fight.
I don't want to especulate much about it, but jaguar behaviour is pretty much like leopard or tiger behaviour, right?

Check out his Jaguars male and female called Mat-zu and the female is named Chole or something like that.
That is where he says it, his IG is way more updated than his fb page.
He just posted one fo the pair eating the female tries to rush her brother through the gate to attack him in jealousy. Pretty intense.. Ill find the captive vid, its a pretty serious fight and Ill look around for his quote.

Edit:
Here is the vid

Its hard to find where he says it cause he posts so many videos but trust me, he does.
He mentions it a few times, he always says how Michael (another male jag) needs to be in the middle of every fight, or talks about their ridicolous bite strength or them being his best fighters he has seen etc.
He always says lb for lb there is not cat like them, you can scroll through a few and check it out. They seem to be pretty amazing big cats.

Tshokwane · 05-13-2015, 01:53 AM

Thanks, it's a nice video, and you're right, it's amazing the speed and how athletic they are.
And of course, jaguars are amazing cats. The way the spotted one went down is like tigers and leopards do.
And both black jaguars..beautiful.

Pckts · 05-13-2015, 02:07 AM

(05-13-2015, 01:53 AM)'Majingilane' Wrote: Thanks, it's a nice video, and you're right, it's amazing the speed and how athletic they are.
And of course, jaguars are amazing cats. The way the spotted one went down is like tigers and leopards do.
And both black jaguars..beautiful.

Whats crazy is the Black one is the aggressor in the beginning and the spotted one is fighting off his back then the tide turns completely and the spotted one becomes the aggressor. Just goes to show you that fighting off their back is not a submissive move, just a smart one. Put all the weapons up front and make the aggressor pay for trying to get the fatal bite.

Tshokwane · 05-13-2015, 02:22 AM

Some poeple argued that this fighting technique is less effective than the lions way of fighting, you know trying to always stay on it's feet and striking down with huge strenght on the rival.
I think it is a submissive posture, so the cat using it will be the less dominant, but anyway I think it's pretty effective, at least in a defensive way.

Pckts · 05-13-2015, 02:50 AM

(05-13-2015, 02:22 AM)'Majingilane' Wrote: Some poeple argued that this fighting technique is less effective than the lions way of fighting, you know trying to always stay on it's feet and striking down with huge strenght on the rival.
I think it is a submissive posture, so the cat using it will be the less dominant, but anyway I think it's pretty effective, at least in a defensive way.

It depends, I have seen lions fight off their back as well and I have seen tigers fight standing only until they get a fatal bite. I have seem them use all of these tactics against each other and of the different species.
If you are pride fighting you are not going to roll over and expose your genitals, thats why lions tend to fight like a hyenna. Hind quarters down keeping their genitals out of harms way from being attacked from another member.
Not sure if you're familar with Everland but watch Hobbi vs Short ears fight, they fight ferociously switching aggression between the two never going to their back. Watch Hobbi and Final 16 when the female is helping the younger Final 16 they also fight upright for a time until final 16 looses confidence but he became an extreme force there and had to be moved. I think fighting off their backs allows the most important thing, rest while not exposing ones self to a death bite and I also think its a sign of submission at other times. But that is a language for the cats, we don't know what type of threats mean what to certain individuals.
Like the jaguar video shows...

Tshokwane · 05-13-2015, 03:06 AM

Well you have a point there, first place lions target is the lower back and the the genitals. Yes, I watched some everland fights, and I also think that cats use all the repertoire they have, even lions.
In one of those fights final 16 with a younger male and a female helps him. But final 16 is huge tiger, I didn't understood why he acted so submissive. The other day I read that he was put in isolation, because he became too agressive. Interesting info, especially when you consider how agressive lions are, and also how tigers, that are solitary animals, can adapt their behaviour when they need to.

Pantherinae · 05-13-2015, 03:58 AM

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