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02-03-2020, 04:25 PM( This post was last modified: 02-03-2020, 04:28 PM by Pckts )
(02-03-2020, 02:42 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(02-02-2020, 12:50 AM)Pckts Wrote: Kevin Cooper
This is the largest polar bear ever recorded. From Kotzebue Sound, Alaska in 1960 weighing a 1002 kilograms or 2,210 pounds and stood 11 feet 11 inches in height.
Here it was featured in the Alaska exhibit of the Seattle World Fair.
The polar bear is much larger, this bear and mount only stands 8' tall compared to over 11' for the polar bear and the weight claimed isn't verified.
"Descendants of two other pioneer families concur on the story of the bear and how Bear Valley got its name, but differ on the size of the animal. Clyde James, whose father homesteaded here in 1879, said the bear was well over 1,000 pounds. Waldo Breedlove, Sr., born here in 1889 and who grew up near the Lovett ranch, gave the exact weight as 1,950 pounds"
02-03-2020, 07:50 PM( This post was last modified: 02-03-2020, 09:13 PM by Shadow )
(02-03-2020, 04:25 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(02-03-2020, 02:42 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(02-02-2020, 12:50 AM)Pckts Wrote: Kevin Cooper
This is the largest polar bear ever recorded. From Kotzebue Sound, Alaska in 1960 weighing a 1002 kilograms or 2,210 pounds and stood 11 feet 11 inches in height.
Here it was featured in the Alaska exhibit of the Seattle World Fair.
The polar bear is much larger, this bear and mount only stands 8' tall compared to over 11' for the polar bear and the weight claimed isn't verified.
"Descendants of two other pioneer families concur on the story of the bear and how Bear Valley got its name, but differ on the size of the animal. Clyde James, whose father homesteaded here in 1879, said the bear was well over 1,000 pounds. Waldo Breedlove, Sr., born here in 1889 and who grew up near the Lovett ranch, gave the exact weight as 1,950 pounds"
I´m also very skeptical what comes to claimed weights of Californian grizzlies. Smaller bear than Kodiak and Alaskan peninsula bears, which would weight more. Something doesn´t make sense. They didn´t hibernate so they didn´t need even thick fat layer as bears living up north do need. Only possible Kodiak bears, which have ever been claimed to have been 2000 pounds or more have been captive individuals with very thick fat layers. Biggest wild one, which can be considered as unreliable while might be possible, was approximately 1650 lbs.
Biggest Kodiak bears are said to be even over 10 feet tall, how could a clearly smaller bear be heavier? I haven´t seen any good explanation for it so far. Of course if California grizzlies were more muscular in some way than average grizzlies, maybe they have been a bit bigger than normal inland grizzlies putting them somewhere in between "normal grizzlies" and giants of Alaska.
I wonder how tall is that stuffed bear. Maybe there are some better photos and/or more information. It´s good to remember that already a 1000-1200 lbs bear is huge, especially if non-hibernating bear without so much fat.
(02-02-2020, 12:50 AM)Pckts Wrote: Kevin Cooper
This is the largest polar bear ever recorded. From Kotzebue Sound, Alaska in 1960 weighing a 1002 kilograms or 2,210 pounds and stood 11 feet 11 inches in height.
Here it was featured in the Alaska exhibit of the Seattle World Fair.
The polar bear is much larger, this bear and mount only stands 8' tall compared to over 11' for the polar bear and the weight claimed isn't verified.
"Descendants of two other pioneer families concur on the story of the bear and how Bear Valley got its name, but differ on the size of the animal. Clyde James, whose father homesteaded here in 1879, said the bear was well over 1,000 pounds. Waldo Breedlove, Sr., born here in 1889 and who grew up near the Lovett ranch, gave the exact weight as 1,950 pounds"
I´m also very skeptical what comes to claimed weights of Californian grizzlies. Smaller bear than Kodiak and Alaskan peninsula bears, which would weight more. Something doesn´t make sense. They didn´t hibernate so they didn´t need even thick fat layer as bears living up north do need. Only possible Kodiak bears, which have ever been claimed to have been 2000 pounds or more have been captive individuals with very thick fat layers. Biggest wild one, which can be considered as unreliable while might be possible, was approximately 1650 lbs.
Biggest Kodiak bears are said to be even over 10 feet tall, how could a clearly smaller bear be heavier? I haven´t seen any good explanation for it so far. Of course if California grizzlies were more muscular in some way than average grizzlies, maybe they have been a bit bigger than normal inland grizzlies putting them somewhere in between "normal grizzlies" and giants of Alaska.
I wonder how tall is that stuffed bear. Maybe there are some better photos and/or more information. It´s good to remember that already a 1000-1200 lbs bear is huge, especially if non-hibernating bear without so much fat.
Before someone else writes, it was there what comes to that stuffed bear, I was sloppy. That claimed 2200, over 1000 or 1950 lbs, depending from whom it´s asked is then another story.
"Our specimen
The taxidermy mount of the grizzly bear on display at the Valley Center History Museum stands nearly 8 feet tall and weighs more than 1,200 pounds. It was originally on display at the San Diego Natural History Museum (founded 1874)."
02-03-2020, 09:38 PM( This post was last modified: 02-03-2020, 10:12 PM by BorneanTiger )
(02-03-2020, 07:50 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(02-03-2020, 04:25 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(02-03-2020, 02:42 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(02-02-2020, 12:50 AM)Pckts Wrote: Kevin Cooper
This is the largest polar bear ever recorded. From Kotzebue Sound, Alaska in 1960 weighing a 1002 kilograms or 2,210 pounds and stood 11 feet 11 inches in height.
Here it was featured in the Alaska exhibit of the Seattle World Fair.
The polar bear is much larger, this bear and mount only stands 8' tall compared to over 11' for the polar bear and the weight claimed isn't verified.
"Descendants of two other pioneer families concur on the story of the bear and how Bear Valley got its name, but differ on the size of the animal. Clyde James, whose father homesteaded here in 1879, said the bear was well over 1,000 pounds. Waldo Breedlove, Sr., born here in 1889 and who grew up near the Lovett ranch, gave the exact weight as 1,950 pounds"
I´m also very skeptical what comes to claimed weights of Californian grizzlies. Smaller bear than Kodiak and Alaskan peninsula bears, which would weight more. Something doesn´t make sense. They didn´t hibernate so they didn´t need even thick fat layer as bears living up north do need. Only possible Kodiak bears, which have ever been claimed to have been 2000 pounds or more have been captive individuals with very thick fat layers. Biggest wild one, which can be considered as unreliable while might be possible was approximately 1650 lbs.
Biggest Kodiak bears are said to be even over 10 feet tall, how could a clearly smaller bear be heavier? I haven´t seen any good explanation for it so far. Of course if California grizzlies were more muscular in some way, than average grizzlies, maybe they have been a bit bigger, than normal inland grizzlies putting them somewhere in between "normal grizzlies" and giants of Alaska.
I wonder how tall is that stuffed bear. Maybe there are some better photos and/or more information. It´s good to remember that already a 1000-1200 lbs bear is huge, especially if non-hibernating bear without so much fat.
Firsty, let's look at the full story:
"A town gets a name Valley Center was the site of the capture of the largest California Grizzly Bear in history. In 1866, a grizzly weighing 2,200 pounds was killed in the area. Although the town had been settled in 1845 and homesteaded in 1862, it had no formal name until the famous 1866 bear incident. The notoriety surrounding the event gave Valley Center its original name of Bear Valley. The name was subsequently changed to Valley in 1874, to Valley Centre in 1878 and, finally, to Valley Center in 1887.
The legend of the great bear A giant grizzly bear, which had been threatening both man and cattle, was killed near the home of James and Ada Lovett in 1866. Lovett and several men dragged the giant animal to where it could be loaded onto a wagon and drove eight miles to the Vineyard Ranch of Col. A.E. Maxcy who had been offering a reward for the capture of the bear. The bear was hoisted onto Maxcy’s cattle scales where it weighed 2,200 pounds and was declared to be the largest grizzly bear ever killed in California.
The bear was skinned and cut up, with more than one pound of lead found inside its head. Col. Maxcy kept the skull of the bear as a souvenir until around 1900 when it was reportedly sold to a museum in the south, believed to be either Georgia or Tennessee. Efforts in recent years to locate the skull have been unsuccessful.
An eyewitness account The killing of the grizzly was witnessed in 1866 by the 6-year-old daughter of James and Ada Lovett. Some six decades later, in 1932 at age 72, Catherine E. Lovett Smith returned to the family homestead for a visit and provided an oral history of the event to the owner of the ranch, Edward P. Haskell. Mr. Haskell prepared a 3-page documentation of his interview with Catherine and provided a copy for the local history archives at Valley Center Library. His report is titled, How Bear Valley Got Its Name.
A peach grower, Haskell created a peach label showing an old oak tree on his property where the bear reportedly attempted the attack. The tree still stands off Guejito Road as does the Lovett home.
Descendants of two other pioneer families concur on the story of the bear and how Bear Valley got its name, but differ on the size of the animal. Clyde James, whose father homesteaded here in 1879, said the bear was well over 1,000 pounds. Waldo Breedlove, Sr., born here in 1889 and who grew up near the Lovett ranch, gave the exact weight as 1,950 pounds.
The teddy bear In 1902, the 26th President of the United States went on a bear hunt, but refused to shoot the bear cub. A cartoon appeared in the Washington Post to publicize his ethical decision. So popular was Theodore Roosevelt’s decision that a toy stuffed bear was created to celebrate the event. And thus was born the Teddy (Roosevelt) Bear.
The California Grizzly The California Grizzly Bear, the largest and most powerful of the bears, thrived in the state for centuries. Some grew to a formidable height of 8 feet and weighed 2,000 pounds, according to a history of California written in 1898. When European immigrants arrived in the state, it was estimated that 10,000 grizzlies inhabited most regions of California. As humans began to populate the state, the grizzly stood its ground, refusing to retreat in the face of advancing civilization. Less than 75 years after the discovery of gold, however, every grizzly in California had been tracked down and killed. It has been extinct since 1924.
The killing begins Although the grizzly had roamed the state at will for 300 years, the gold rush of 1849 rang the death knell for the bear. It has been said that the appearance of the repeating rifle in 1848 spelled death for the grizzly. Initially hunted by miners and others because it was considered dangerous, the grizzly was then mercilessly hunted for sport and for its warm fur. Settlers in the late 1800s commonly shot and poisoned bears to protect their livestock.
The stock market connection Spanish caballeros roped grizzlies, dragging them into doomed public battles with wild bulls. This popular spectator sport inspired betting as to whether the bear or the bull would win. This gave the modern stock market its “bear” and “bull” nicknames — the bear swipes downward while the bull hooks upward.
The path to extinction The last known physical specimen of a California grizzly was shot and killed in Fresno County in 1922. Two years later, the last wild California grizzly was spotted several times in Sequoia National Park and then never seen again. Civilized man had made California’s official animal officially extinct by 1924.
Our specimen The taxidermy mount of the grizzly bear on display at the Valley Center History Museum stands nearly 8 feet tall and weighs more than 1,200 pounds. It was originally on display at the San Diego Natural History Museum (founded 1874). It was acquired in 1992 by the Escondido Historical Society for display at its Heritage Walk Museum. The specimen was donated as a generous gift in 2002 by the Escondido Historical Society to the Valley Center History Museum because the bear was a significant part of Valley Center’s local history. Bear specimens in museums commonly come from bears that died of natural causes, illegally confiscated bears, or bears that had to be put down.
The state symbol The California grizzly is one of the state’s most visible and enduring symbols, adorning both the state flag and seal. The Bear Flag first flew in 46 as a symbol of the New Republic of California, but was replaced by a second version adopted by the State Legislature in 1911. The bear symbol became a permanent part of the State Seal in 1849. The California Grizzly was designated the official State Animal in 1953.
Sources: Local history collection at the Valley Center Library, archives of the Valley Center History Museum, the Science Museum of Minnesota, The Bancroft Library at the University of California, the Library of Congress, and the California State Library."
So this grizzly was initially weighed at 2,200 pounds (997.9 kg), after it was killed and driven for 8 miles (12.87 km) by several men, after threatening both men and cattle. It must be noted that the bear was eventually skinned and cut up, its skull got transferred and lost, the figure of 1,950 pounds came from Waldo Breedlove, Sr. (who was born in 1889, long after the incident) and that the current taxidermied specimen is over 1,200 pounds (554.31 kg) and nearly 8 feet (2.44 m) tall, after all the skinning, cutting and loss of its skull.
02-03-2020, 10:09 PM( This post was last modified: 02-03-2020, 11:05 PM by Shadow )
(02-03-2020, 09:38 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(02-03-2020, 07:50 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(02-03-2020, 04:25 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(02-03-2020, 02:42 PM)BorneanTiger Wrote:
(02-02-2020, 12:50 AM)Pckts Wrote: Kevin Cooper
This is the largest polar bear ever recorded. From Kotzebue Sound, Alaska in 1960 weighing a 1002 kilograms or 2,210 pounds and stood 11 feet 11 inches in height.
Here it was featured in the Alaska exhibit of the Seattle World Fair.
The polar bear is much larger, this bear and mount only stands 8' tall compared to over 11' for the polar bear and the weight claimed isn't verified.
"Descendants of two other pioneer families concur on the story of the bear and how Bear Valley got its name, but differ on the size of the animal. Clyde James, whose father homesteaded here in 1879, said the bear was well over 1,000 pounds. Waldo Breedlove, Sr., born here in 1889 and who grew up near the Lovett ranch, gave the exact weight as 1,950 pounds"
I´m also very skeptical what comes to claimed weights of Californian grizzlies. Smaller bear than Kodiak and Alaskan peninsula bears, which would weight more. Something doesn´t make sense. They didn´t hibernate so they didn´t need even thick fat layer as bears living up north do need. Only possible Kodiak bears, which have ever been claimed to have been 2000 pounds or more have been captive individuals with very thick fat layers. Biggest wild one, which can be considered as unreliable while might be possible was approximately 1650 lbs.
Biggest Kodiak bears are said to be even over 10 feet tall, how could a clearly smaller bear be heavier? I haven´t seen any good explanation for it so far. Of course if California grizzlies were more muscular in some way, than average grizzlies, maybe they have been a bit bigger, than normal inland grizzlies putting them somewhere in between "normal grizzlies" and giants of Alaska.
I wonder how tall is that stuffed bear. Maybe there are some better photos and/or more information. It´s good to remember that already a 1000-1200 lbs bear is huge, especially if non-hibernating bear without so much fat.
First let's look at the full story:
"A town gets a name Valley Center was the site of the capture of the largest California Grizzly Bear in history. In 1866, a grizzly weighing 2,200 pounds was killed in the area. Although the town had been settled in 1845 and homesteaded in 1862, it had no formal name until the famous 1866 bear incident. The notoriety surrounding the event gave Valley Center its original name of Bear Valley. The name was subsequently changed to Valley in 1874, to Valley Centre in 1878 and, finally, to Valley Center in 1887.
The legend of the great bear A giant grizzly bear, which had been threatening both man and cattle, was killed near the home of James and Ada Lovett in 1866. Lovett and several men dragged the giant animal to where it could be loaded onto a wagon and drove eight miles to the Vineyard Ranch of Col. A.E. Maxcy who had been offering a reward for the capture of the bear. The bear was hoisted onto Maxcy’s cattle scales where it weighed 2,200 pounds and was declared to be the largest grizzly bear ever killed in California.
The bear was skinned and cut up, with more than one pound of lead found inside its head. Col. Maxcy kept the skull of the bear as a souvenir until around 1900 when it was reportedly sold to a museum in the south, believed to be either Georgia or Tennessee. Efforts in recent years to locate the skull have been unsuccessful.
An eyewitness account The killing of the grizzly was witnessed in 1866 by the 6-year-old daughter of James and Ada Lovett. Some six decades later, in 1932 at age 72, Catherine E. Lovett Smith returned to the family homestead for a visit and provided an oral history of the event to the owner of the ranch, Edward P. Haskell. Mr. Haskell prepared a 3-page documentation of his interview with Catherine and provided a copy for the local history archives at Valley Center Library. His report is titled, How Bear Valley Got Its Name.
A peach grower, Haskell created a peach label showing an old oak tree on his property where the bear reportedly attempted the attack. The tree still stands off Guejito Road as does the Lovett home.
Descendants of two other pioneer families concur on the story of the bear and how Bear Valley got its name, but differ on the size of the animal. Clyde James, whose father homesteaded here in 1879, said the bear was well over 1,000 pounds. Waldo Breedlove, Sr., born here in 1889 and who grew up near the Lovett ranch, gave the exact weight as 1,950 pounds.
The teddy bear In 1902, the 26th President of the United States went on a bear hunt, but refused to shoot the bear cub. A cartoon appeared in the Washington Post to publicize his ethical decision. So popular was Theodore Roosevelt’s decision that a toy stuffed bear was created to celebrate the event. And thus was born the Teddy (Roosevelt) Bear.
The California Grizzly The California Grizzly Bear, the largest and most powerful of the bears, thrived in the state for centuries. Some grew to a formidable height of 8 feet and weighed 2,000 pounds, according to a history of California written in 1898. When European immigrants arrived in the state, it was estimated that 10,000 grizzlies inhabited most regions of California. As humans began to populate the state, the grizzly stood its ground, refusing to retreat in the face of advancing civilization. Less than 75 years after the discovery of gold, however, every grizzly in California had been tracked down and killed. It has been extinct since 1924.
The killing begins Although the grizzly had roamed the state at will for 300 years, the gold rush of 1849 rang the death knell for the bear. It has been said that the appearance of the repeating rifle in 1848 spelled death for the grizzly. Initially hunted by miners and others because it was considered dangerous, the grizzly was then mercilessly hunted for sport and for its warm fur. Settlers in the late 1800s commonly shot and poisoned bears to protect their livestock.
The stock market connection Spanish caballeros roped grizzlies, dragging them into doomed public battles with wild bulls. This popular spectator sport inspired betting as to whether the bear or the bull would win. This gave the modern stock market its “bear” and “bull” nicknames — the bear swipes downward while the bull hooks upward.
The path to extinction The last known physical specimen of a California grizzly was shot and killed in Fresno County in 1922. Two years later, the last wild California grizzly was spotted several times in Sequoia National Park and then never seen again. Civilized man had made California’s official animal officially extinct by 1924.
Our specimen The taxidermy mount of the grizzly bear on display at the Valley Center History Museum stands nearly 8 feet tall and weighs more than 1,200 pounds. It was originally on display at the San Diego Natural History Museum (founded 1874). It was acquired in 1992 by the Escondido Historical Society for display at its Heritage Walk Museum. The specimen was donated as a generous gift in 2002 by the Escondido Historical Society to the Valley Center History Museum because the bear was a significant part of Valley Center’s local history. Bear specimens in museums commonly come from bears that died of natural causes, illegally confiscated bears, or bears that had to be put down.
The state symbol The California grizzly is one of the state’s most visible and enduring symbols, adorning both the state flag and seal. The Bear Flag first flew in 46 as a symbol of the New Republic of California, but was replaced by a second version adopted by the State Legislature in 1911. The bear symbol became a permanent part of the State Seal in 1849. The California Grizzly was designated the official State Animal in 1953.
Sources: Local history collection at the Valley Center Library, archives of the Valley Center History Museum, the Science Museum of Minnesota, The Bancroft Library at the University of California, the Library of Congress, and the California State Library."
So this grizzly, which measured nearly 8 feet tall, was initially weighed at 2,200 pounds, after it attacked a farm with cattle in 1866, likely meaning that it weighed that much with a full belly after attacking cattle or livestock, similar to the case of David Hassinger's Bengal tiger in 1967, which ate a buffalo calf before being weighed, and the 2 Tanzanian lions which killed a lot of cattle in January 1963. Eventually, it must be noted that the bear was skinned and cut up, and its skull got lost, and the figure of 1,950 pounds came from a man born in 1889 (long after the incident), that is Waldo Breedlove, Sr..
When reading that story of that bear, it´s quite clear that they shot a bear. Then what comes to weight, it´s a different thing. Looks like there have been rumors, but no-one is able to confirm it. You seemed to mix up now that 8 feet tallness of that other bear in exhibition. That "legendary bear" claimed to have been anything in between over 1000 pounds to 2200 pounds seems to be disappeared. Who knows what was the size of it, but a 6 years old girl giving an interview 66 years later is far from reliable when talking about weight and size of some animal.
If someone wants to believe that weight based on that vague information, that´s fine but that is far from reliable information. When mentioning that Bengal tiger, even Guinness World Records admit, that it´s not reliable. Even weighing of that tiger is quite vague, sent to some place, mill or something where they weighed it with some scale, which condition no-one knows etc. Same of course with some legendary lions, huge weights claimed, but for some reason any reliable weighed tiger or lion aren´t even close to those old claimed weights.
Anyway what comes to bears, I don´t buy claims about 1000 kg Californian grizzlies with that kind of old legends. Too small bears to weigh that much. Kodiak bears were back then as they are today biggest bears there are and we have 0 wild Kodiak bears that heavy. Not even close.
Nice story about a big bear, but as usually in old stories.... a bit too good to be true. Actually I´m in contact with one bear expert living in California, I´ll ask from him a bit about this too, when we have time to discuss.
02-03-2020, 10:35 PM( This post was last modified: 02-04-2020, 02:57 AM by Pckts )
What the Taxidermy and stand weigh together aren't relevant and the fact that the bears measurements are now "lost" and it was only 8' or less yet claimed to weigh the same as an 11'+ Polar Bear are all suspicious.
A bear allegedly weighed on a cattle scale over 150 years ago is another thing that should be doubted, we don't know the accuracy of said scale, the measuring method nor if it was actually weighed.
(02-03-2020, 10:35 PM)Pckts Wrote: What the Taxidermy and stand weigh together aren't relevant and the fact that the bears measurements are now "lost" and it was only 8' or less yet claimed to weigh the same as a 11'+ Polar Bear are all suspicious.
A bear allegedly weighed on a cattle scale over 150 years ago is another thing that should be doubted, we don't know the accuracy of said scale, the measuring method nor if it was actually weighed.
This isn´t directly comparable thing, but made me to remember Kamchatka bear Peter the Great at Orsa bear park in Sweden. Many Swedish newspapers had big headlines, that they got a 1000 kg bear, when he arrived. It took quite some time to get information from the park, but they finally told, that in reality he was 570 kg when he arrived there. That information is a bit difficult or maybe even impossible to find if not asking from the zoo.
Who knows if 100 years from now someone notices some old headlines and thinks "wow... a 1000 kg bear". And if zoo records are lost at that time....
(02-05-2020, 10:18 PM)Pckts Wrote: 3 more Massive Polar Bears from the Pre MMPA era *Marine Mammal Protection Act* established in 1972
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
Those are quite huge. Those two with that man in the same photo look like to be approximately 300-330 cm tall. Was there any information about it how tall? That first also looks of course amazingly big.
When looking at these photos and thinking about old stories claiming that a wolverine would have killed a polar bear..... Impossible for me to take those stories seriously. Back "in good old days" story tellers weren´t saving their wild imagination.
(02-05-2020, 10:18 PM)Pckts Wrote: 3 more Massive Polar Bears from the Pre MMPA era *Marine Mammal Protection Act* established in 1972
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
Those are quite huge. Those two with that man in the same photo look like to be approximately 300-330 cm tall. Was there any information about it how tall? That first also looks of course amazingly big.
When looking at these photos and thinking about old stories claiming that a wolverine would have killed a polar bear..... Impossible for me to take those stories seriously. Back "in good old days" story tellers weren´t saving their wild imagination.
Nice photos!!!
I can't zoom in enough to read the plaque but assuming the man is 6' tall, I'd guess both of those bears are easily over 11'
(02-05-2020, 10:18 PM)Pckts Wrote: 3 more Massive Polar Bears from the Pre MMPA era *Marine Mammal Protection Act* established in 1972
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
Those are quite huge. Those two with that man in the same photo look like to be approximately 300-330 cm tall. Was there any information about it how tall? That first also looks of course amazingly big.
When looking at these photos and thinking about old stories claiming that a wolverine would have killed a polar bear..... Impossible for me to take those stories seriously. Back "in good old days" story tellers weren´t saving their wild imagination.
Nice photos!!!
I can't zoom in enough to read the plaque but assuming the man is 6' tall, I'd guess both of those bears are easily over 11'
I measured as good as I could from photo, my estimation based on those measurements is, that if that man is 180 cm tall (approximately 6 feet), then those bears would be 300 cm or a bit over, approximately 10 feet. Which is already huge. From same kind of measurements, which I have made from pictures having different kind of brown bears and tigers, lions etc., these polar bears are clearly tallest. Of course from photos it´s always difficult. But in this photo that man is standing really side by side with these polar bears, even though he is on the floor and bears on stands.
That polar bear alone in that first photo is very interesting. Do you have any information about it?
02-06-2020, 03:33 AM( This post was last modified: 02-06-2020, 03:36 AM by Pckts )
(02-06-2020, 02:50 AM)Shadow Wrote:
(02-05-2020, 11:33 PM)Pckts Wrote:
(02-05-2020, 11:20 PM)Shadow Wrote:
(02-05-2020, 10:18 PM)Pckts Wrote: 3 more Massive Polar Bears from the Pre MMPA era *Marine Mammal Protection Act* established in 1972
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
Those are quite huge. Those two with that man in the same photo look like to be approximately 300-330 cm tall. Was there any information about it how tall? That first also looks of course amazingly big.
When looking at these photos and thinking about old stories claiming that a wolverine would have killed a polar bear..... Impossible for me to take those stories seriously. Back "in good old days" story tellers weren´t saving their wild imagination.
Nice photos!!!
I can't zoom in enough to read the plaque but assuming the man is 6' tall, I'd guess both of those bears are easily over 11'
I measured as good as I could from photo, my estimation based on those measurements is, that if that man is 180 cm tall (approximately 6 feet), then those bears would be 300 cm or a bit over, approximately 10 feet. Which is already huge. From same kind of measurements, which I have made from pictures having different kind of brown bears and tigers, lions etc., these polar bears are clearly tallest. Of course from photos it´s always difficult. But in this photo that man is standing really side by side with these polar bears, even though he is on the floor and bears on stands.
That polar bear alone in that first photo is very interesting. Do you have any information about it?
Nothing on him but unfortunately the mount and ladder are cropped.
I got these from this page https://www.facebook.com/groups/1568917803373653/?fref=nf
"Trophy rooms of the world"
But I don't want to contribute to their page by asking questions although I do find some of their photos interesting.
But if you or someone else does, feel free.
(02-05-2020, 10:18 PM)Pckts Wrote: 3 more Massive Polar Bears from the Pre MMPA era *Marine Mammal Protection Act* established in 1972
*This image is copyright of its original author
*This image is copyright of its original author
Those are quite huge. Those two with that man in the same photo look like to be approximately 300-330 cm tall. Was there any information about it how tall? That first also looks of course amazingly big.
When looking at these photos and thinking about old stories claiming that a wolverine would have killed a polar bear..... Impossible for me to take those stories seriously. Back "in good old days" story tellers weren´t saving their wild imagination.
Nice photos!!!
I can't zoom in enough to read the plaque but assuming the man is 6' tall, I'd guess both of those bears are easily over 11'
I measured as good as I could from photo, my estimation based on those measurements is, that if that man is 180 cm tall (approximately 6 feet), then those bears would be 300 cm or a bit over, approximately 10 feet. Which is already huge. From same kind of measurements, which I have made from pictures having different kind of brown bears and tigers, lions etc., these polar bears are clearly tallest. Of course from photos it´s always difficult. But in this photo that man is standing really side by side with these polar bears, even though he is on the floor and bears on stands.
That polar bear alone in that first photo is very interesting. Do you have any information about it?
Nothing on him but unfortunately the mount and ladder are cropped.
I got these from this page https://www.facebook.com/groups/1568917803373653/?fref=nf
"Trophy rooms of the world"
But I don't want to contribute to their page by asking questions although I do find some of their photos interesting.
But if you or someone else does, feel free.
Yeah, interesting page in a way, still not nice to see all those magnificent animals shot just for trophies. There was mentioned about one polar bear, that it was 10 ft 4".
Bear Size ~
