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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 05-23-2020

(05-23-2020, 07:17 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: @OncaAtrox


If you go back to the previous pages you'll find more Pantanal males weight.

What happened to the live last night? I heard it shut down suddently is it true? theres only 30min of recorded video.   Mysterious

Tonight I am gonna make questions to Peter Crawshaw, hopefully they'll answer it. Cool

I'm almost done updating the table with all the weights from this thread, but there is one that I'm hesitant to add. According to this news story, this 140 kg male jaguar was killed in a road crash. I don't doubt that such weight is possible but the source might be questionable, what do you think?
https://diarionline.com.br/?s=noticia&id=115578#.Xlfp-w_zEdA.whatsapp


RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 05-23-2020

(05-23-2020, 09:46 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:
(05-23-2020, 07:17 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: @OncaAtrox


If you go back to the previous pages you'll find more Pantanal males weight.

What happened to the live last night? I heard it shut down suddently is it true? theres only 30min of recorded video.   Mysterious

Tonight I am gonna make questions to Peter Crawshaw, hopefully they'll answer it. Cool

I'm almost done updating the table with all the weights from these thread, but there is one that I'm hesitant to add. According to this news story, this 140 kg male jaguar was killed in a road crash. I don't doubt that such weight is possible but the source might be questionable, what do you think?
https://diarionline.com.br/?s=noticia&id=115578#.Xlfp-w_zEdA.whatsapp

This jaguar I searched in many brazilian news pages to get more details on how he was weighed and by who or even to find extra photos other than that one but I didn't find anything different than that of the link you sent. They only stated it weights 140kg and thats all.

Back when it happened a few facebook pages about jags posted this tragedy as well.


RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 05-23-2020

MODERN WEIGHT LIST FOR PANTANAL JAGUARS (M)


Last Update: July 23, 2021


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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 05-23-2020

(05-23-2020, 10:13 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: Here is the updated table with all the data gathered throughout this tread. @peter, as per your request I have included weights and weights estimates provided by the entities who weighed the jaguars, many of them didn't publish information on weights hence the incomplete row.

The new average is therefor 118.89 kg for a sample of 32 individuals. I decided not to include the 140 kg male that was ran by a car due to source accuracy. Nonetheless, if that male was to be added the average would be 119.53 with a sample of 33.

As stated before I will continuously update the table as new weights are released, that way we will have a better understanding an idea these jaguars with updated data.


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There are a few males you have to just switch the area for example take all jags monitored by onças do rio negro and switch to south pantanal area, Onças do rio negro monitores the southern area I think very little northern Pantanal males sizes were unveiled.

It would be cool to do a separated on females, Cerrado jags...

Did you catch the males from the table I posted?


RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 05-23-2020

(05-23-2020, 10:40 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:
(05-23-2020, 10:23 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:
(05-23-2020, 10:13 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote: Here is the updated table with all the data gathered throughout this tread. @peter, as per your request I have included weights and weights estimates provided by the entities who weighed the jaguars, many of them didn't publish information on weights hence the incomplete row.

The new average is therefor 118.89 kg for a sample of 32 individuals. I decided not to include the 140 kg male that was ran by a car due to source accuracy. Nonetheless, if that male was to be added the average would be 119.53 with a sample of 33.

As stated before I will continuously update the table as new weights are released, that way we will have a better understanding an idea these jaguars with updated data.


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There are a few males you have to just switch the area for example take all jags monitored by onças do rio negro and switch to south pantanal area, Onças do rio negro monitores the southern area I think very little northern Pantanal males sizes were unveiled.

It would be cool to do a separated on females, Cerrado jags...

Did you catch the males from the table I posted?

I just updated the table, I don't think I saw your table, but feel free to repost it again I might've missed it.

Just one more thing to switch on your table Juru and Adriano are northern Pantanal males.



The table is on my post #160 back then I didn't know how to download it and post here directly and also the infos is all in portuguese so I had to translate everything and do it all by typing directly from the info to post here.



The source link pdf of Mariana Furtado just broke for some reason and I can't download it anymore. http://jaguar.org.br/wp-content/uploads/publicacoes/Furtado_2010.pdf    


Is this link working for you??


But thank God I typed everything from the tables and posted here.

Also from my post #160 there are a few Cerrado and Amazonic jaguars too on the tables above the Pantanal ones, those jaguars were all captured from 2000 to 2009.


Most of their their identification aren't with names but with codes. I am gonna repost the Pantanal ones table, Check bellow.


NOTE: I am not sure which section ( north/south ) these pantanal jaguars are from and since the link broke it would be a little hard to find out, so maybe you could just put ''unknown'' regarding their areas.




TABLE 3 - Pantanal Jag

 Characterization (sex, age and weight), date of capture, anesthetic dose administered and monitoring period for jaguars captured between October 2003 and November 2008 in the Pantanal (PAN). Different dates for the same individual refer to the capture and subsequent recapture.

AD =  Anesthetic Dose
MT = Monitoring Time (months)
Ages -   Cu = Cub          S-A =  Sub-Adult            


Pantanal Jag. Table

ID               Studing area     Gender         Capture Date         Age       Weight (kg)         AD        MT(months)
150.880         PAN                  M                 Oc-21-03            Ad            85                   ...               2
150.842          PAN                 F                  Oct-23-03           Ad            75                  ...              38  
150.842          PAN                F                  Jan-05-07            Ad            77                 10,4            38
150.793          PAN                M                Oct-26-03            Ad            110                 ...               39
150.811          PAN                F                  Oct-26-03           Ad             70                 ...                24
151.353          PAN                M                Dec-05-04           Ad             94                  8,5             36    
151.353          PAN                M                Mar-30-06            Ad             96                11,4             36
151.343          PAN                F                Jun-17-05             Yo             40                  9,2              4        
151.343          PAN                 F                Oct-8-05              S-A            54                 10,5             4
151.93            PAN                 F                 Jun-18-05          Ad             76                  14,8            39
151.93            PAN                 F                 Jan-20-08           Ad             71                  9,6            39
151.362          PAN                 F                 Dec-03-05           Ad             86                 9,7             35
151.362          PAN                 F                 Apr-01-08           Ad              90                7,8              35
151.263          PAN                 M               Jan-26-06            Ad             104               8,6               5
151.374          PAN                 M               Feb-23-06           Ad             112                7,1             17
150.872         PAN                   F                Feb-26-06           Yo              60                11,6           31     
150.872         PAN                   F                 Jun-08-06          S-A            63                 9,5            31
150.872         PAN                   F                Sep-20-06          S-A             71                9,8              31                       
 150.872        PAN                  F                Nov-14-07          Ad              75                8,0               31
151.452         PAN                  F                Apr-24-06           Yo               46                10,9            7
151.452         PAN                  F               Jul-28-06              Yo               56                7,1             7
151.341         PAN                  F               Apr-24-06            Yo               50                12,0             6   
151.341        PAN                    F              Sep-22-06            S-A              74                 8,1             6
151.443        PAN                    F                Jun-03-06            Ad              70             11,4             19
151.443        PAN                    F               Jan-06-07             Ad              86              7,0             19
151.422        PAN                   F               Jun-05-06             S-A             62                9,7              1
Jovem          PAN                   M              Jan-25-07              Yo               60               10,7            ...
151.351        PAN                  F               Jan-26-07               Ad              80                8,7             ...
151.762        PAN                  M             Nov-03-07             Ad               102               7,8              ...
Filhote1        PAN                    F              Nov-12-07             Cu               ...                   ...               ...
151.824       PAN                   F               Nov-12-07             Ad               ...                  ...              ...  
Filhote        PAN                     F               Jan-23-08             Cu               36                6,1              ...      
151.533       PAN                   F              Nov-18-08             Ad               77               10,4             14


RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - peter - 05-23-2020

(05-23-2020, 10:03 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:
(05-23-2020, 09:58 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote:
(05-23-2020, 09:46 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:
(05-23-2020, 07:17 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: @OncaAtrox


If you go back to the previous pages you'll find more Pantanal males weight.

What happened to the live last night? I heard it shut down suddently is it true? theres only 30min of recorded video.   Mysterious

Tonight I am gonna make questions to Peter Crawshaw, hopefully they'll answer it. Cool

I'm almost done updating the table with all the weights from these thread, but there is one that I'm hesitant to add. According to this news story, this 140 kg male jaguar was killed in a road crash. I don't doubt that such weight is possible but the source might be questionable, what do you think?
https://diarionline.com.br/?s=noticia&id=115578#.Xlfp-w_zEdA.whatsapp

This jaguar I searched in many brazilian news pages to get more details on how he was weighed and by who or even to find extra photos other than that one but I didn't find anything different than that of the link you sent. They only stated it weights 140kg and thats all.

Back when it happened a few facebook pages about jags posted this tragedy as well.

Yes, so sad that such a big male had to die that way. I won't include him in the table just because the weight wasn't provided by an conversational entity or scientific team, nonetheless thanks for your answer!

ONCA

You can solve the reliability problem by adding a number after every weight. If the information is reliable, add a 1. If you're not quite sure, add a 2 (moderate reliability). If you have severe doubts (referring to weights in books or newspaper reports), add a 3. In this way, information will not be lost.  

The new table looks great! If you can produce tables for every region, the result will be overview. 

In a healthy system, big cats, even within regions, usually show a lot of individual variation. Size is affected by many factors. About a century ago, Nepal male tigers had about 4 inches on tigers shot in northern India (referring to total length measured 'over curves'). The reason was tigers were not hunted in Nepal, whereas they were in northern India. Today, tigers in northern India, if anything, are as large as those in Nepal. The main reason is conservation (protection and well-stocked reserves).    

My guess is stress has a profound effect on size. Stress is a result of many variables. In India and Nepal, the effect (on size) was quite limited. In Russia, where tigers were nearly hunted to extinction for nearly half a century (1890-1940), it wasn't. In wild tigers, a (genetic) bottleneck usually results in a lack of individual variation. The effect of a bottleneck is often seen in captive representatives of a subspecies affected by a bottleneck. Captive Amur tigers, for example, show as much variation as in other tiger subspecies. They're also taller, longer and heavier (referring to averages) than all other tiger subspecies.   

Jaguars, like lions, tigers and leopards, show a considerable amount of individual and regional variation. Good information is needed to get to sound conclusions. The more we know, the better.


RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 05-24-2020

@OncaAtrox

You welcome Lol  This table is gonna get massive for sure.

When you make the tables of Cerrado jaguars let me know. This population I am gonna get more involved.



By the way check out how Brutus recapture was. ( By Onças do Rio Negro )

credits: Gediendson

''Recapture of the Brutos to check the collar and perform the harvest and freezing of semen for our wild jaguar's germplasm bank.
its very good when we reach our goal already on the first night.???
In the first catch the animal weighed 110 kg and after a month it is already 120 kg.''




















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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 05-28-2020

Croissant is a jaguar that inhabits Iguazu in the border between Argentina and Brazil. He is estimated to be around 6 years of age, someone asked for his weight, in 2018 Oncasdoiguacu weighed him and at 4 years of age, he weighed 73 kg.


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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Pckts - 06-01-2020

Another Pantanal Monster

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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Pckts - 06-01-2020

(06-01-2020, 08:03 AM)OncaAtrox Wrote:
(06-01-2020, 07:29 AM)Pckts Wrote: Another Pantanal Monster

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My goodness he's huge, the size and muscles on his arms.. it should be clear by now that dominant Pantanal toms achieve the 130 kg mark more often than not. Do you know by any chance if they provided a name so we can add it to the table?

I'll ask


RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 06-01-2020

Tiago Cerrado male Jaguar 117kg.


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I was in contact with Jorge on a discussion all about cerrado jaguars and he said Tiago cerrado male was captured twice, he told me he is the most magnificent melanistic jaguar he has ever seen, he is a spectacular animal.

He said Tiago cerrado male in his first capture weighed 92kg and on another time he was captured again he already weighed above 100kg. He recalls him weighing 117kg.



Jorge with Tiago on his first capture, he weighed 92kg here.


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Tiago cerrado male on his second capture already with 117kg.


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VIDEO





I also spoke to him about cerrado jaguars being the second largest jaguars in Brazil.

The largest wild melanistic jaguars from Brazil are found in Cerrado. The old hunters pics with massive melanistic jaguars in Brazil were cerrado jaguars that were poached.

When I first saw this animal and posted about him I said on my post #603 of the ''Impressive wild jaguar thread'' that he is 115kg EASILY and if he weights 120kg I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Well, Tiago's weight was between my expectations and I knew he was another Pantanal sized Cerrado jag.




Tiago cerrado male waking up and still dizy after all the capture procedure.

He is a monstrous beast.
 





Comparison with some other Cerrado jaguars.


Average sized Cerrado Male ( 87.5kg )


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151.633 Cerrado Male ( 104kg )


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Richard Cerrado Male ( 110kg )


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Tiago Cerrado Male ( 117kg )


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I feel so relieved after this, Tiago was really driving me crazy.





Tiago's tracks via radio collar.

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RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 06-01-2020

(06-01-2020, 05:11 PM)OncaAtrox Wrote:
(06-01-2020, 04:04 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: Tiago Cerrado male Jaguar 117kg.


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I was in contact with Jorge on a discussion all about cerrado jaguars and he said Tiago cerrado male was captured twice, he told me he is the most magnificent melanistic jaguar he has ever seen, he is a spectacular animal.

He said Tiago cerrado male in his first capture weighed 92kg and on another time he was captured again he already weighed above 100kg. He recalls him weighing 117kg.



Jorge with Tiago on his first capture, he weighed 92kg here.


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Tiago cerrado male on his second capture already with 117kg.


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VIDEO





I also spoke to him about cerrado jaguars being the second largest jaguars in Brazil.

The largest wild melanistic jaguars from Brazil are found in Cerrado. The old hunters pics with massive melanistic jaguars in Brazil were cerrado jaguars that were poached.

When I first saw this animal and posted about him I said on my post #603 of the ''Impressive wild jaguar thread'' that he is 115kg EASILY and if he weights 120kg I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Well, Tiago's weight was between my expectations and I knew he was another Pantanal sized Cerrado jag.




Tiago cerrado male waking up and still dizy after all the capture procedure.

He is a monstrous beast.
 





Comparison with some other Cerrado jaguars.


Average sized Cerrado Male ( 87.5kg )


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151.633 Cerrado Male ( 104kg )


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Richard Cerrado Male ( 110kg )


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Tiago Cerrado Male ( 117kg )


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I feel so relieved after this, Tiago was really driving me crazy.





Tiago's tracks via radio collar.

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Tiago's tracks overlapping with other Cerrado Jaguars.

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This is why I always look for recaptures of jaguars before I settle for a weight because as we have seen with Brutus they will put on more weight rather quick. Tiago is such a beautiful panther, it seems like the conservation efforts made are paying and these jaguars slowly but surely are regaining the sized they're supposed to have.


Rogério cerrado male will happen the same, on his recapture he'll be massive.

speaking of recaptures there are a few adjustments and additions to make on the pantanal males table but first lets build the cerrado males table.

I already got all cerrado male jaguars gathered including the year of capture.


RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 06-01-2020

Tarobá Iguazú male confirmed at 80 kg


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Credits to Proyecto Yaguareté


RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Dark Jaguar - 06-01-2020

@"OncaAtrox"  Here it is the Cerrado males table so you can add them into a table.  After that we'll edit the pantanal males table.

cerrado males captured from 2000 till modern todays.

Cerrado male jaguar's table

ID                                                     Age                Weight          Source        Area            Year    
Macharão 1                                       Ad                   87.5kg            IOP           PNE            2000
Macharão 2                                       Ad                   87.5kg            IOP           PNE            2000
150.260                                            Ad                   90kg               IOP           PNE            2000
150.260                                            Ad                   80kg               IOP           PNE            2004
150.410                                           Ad                    85kg               IOP           PNE             2000
151.633                                           Ad                   104kg              IOP           PNE            2009
151.633 (2)                                      Ad                   104kg               IOP           PNE            2009
M.Medanha male                            Yo                   83kg                IOP           PNE             2017
Xavante                                           Ad                  110kg              IOP            PNE              2013
Xangô                                              Ad                  110kg              NEX      Corum.GO         2018
Unknown                                         Ad                   118kg               1.    
Richard                                         Yo-Ad                110kg              IOP           PNE            2019
Tiago                                               Ad                   117kg              IOP           PNE            2020

AVERAGE  87.5KG (source IOP - 2004)




Is it wrong if I add Xavante cerrado male to the cerrado jag table list?? he and his sisters are orphans and were introduced to the cerrado wilderness along with his sisters and he spent quite a while there he manage to kill an adult tapir and a few pecaries but he had to return to IOP sanctuary because he was approaching the agricultural areas way too much and too often so IOP feared him getting killed by humans but on the other hand his sisters had no problem on wildlife.


RE: Modern Weights and Measurements of Jaguars - Balam - 06-01-2020

@Dark Jaguar, let's add him!