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RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - Lycaon - 05-19-2022
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Nice find!.
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - peter - 05-21-2022
(05-19-2022, 11:45 PM)Lycaon Wrote: @Luipaard
Nice find!.
Nice find indeed, Luipaard. Information about this extinct subspecies is scarce.
If the tigers perished in the Antwerp Zoo, chances are their skin and skull were preserved. Would you be able to find out a bit more? Tell them I would like to see and measure the skulls.
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - Luipaard - 05-21-2022
(05-21-2022, 01:48 AM)peter Wrote:(05-19-2022, 11:45 PM)Lycaon Wrote: @Luipaard
Nice find!.
Nice find indeed, Luipaard. Information about this extinct subspecies is scarce.
If the tigers perished in the Antwerp Zoo, chances are their skin and skull were preserved. Would you be able to find out a bit more? Tell them I would like to see and measure the skulls.
I contacted someone from the Antwerp Royal Society for Zoology since this association manages this zoo.
I do recall reading something about Antwerp Zoo during World War I, that they decided to shoot the dangerous animals. Probably because they feared that they might escape if the zoo were bombed or worse; that they might die due to said bombings or due to starvation. If the Caspian tigers were shot due to these horrible events, I wonder how much priority they gave to their remains in terms of preservation.
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - lfelipe86 - 07-14-2022
I believe 100% that caspians tigers are still alive in the wild!!!! In 2018 a Zanzibar Leopard was filmed and they were believed to have been extinct for decades!!!
If an island so small like Zanzibar can hide leopards; For sure a huge place like Central asia can hide tigers!!! Especially places that are known to be isolated and of difficult access like Afghanistan mountains and east Turkey!!!
And also those places may have never been properly surveyed!!!! Many military men have seen tigers in those regions!! They are trained to be good observers, they wouldn´t be mistaken when they say they saw something!!!
i believe a real search, with modern technology, would show that caspian tigers are still alive in the wild!!!!!!!
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - lfelipe86 - 07-15-2022
Not only eastern Turkey and Afghanistan but also according to some experts at the Iranian Department of Environment, tigers may still survive in the mountains south of Aliabad, on both sides of the Turkmenistan border, and in the southeastern corner of the Caspian coast near or within the Parvar protected region. It is here that, some years ago, feline tracks were discovered which caused great excitement in IDOE. Twenty huge prints, 12cm long and 14.5cm wide, were found in both snow and on the ground. These were too large to be those of a Caspian leopard (Panthera Pardus), a large cat that still exists in this region, unless this was an extraordinarily large leopard.
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - lfelipe86 - 07-17-2022
Caspian tigers have very distinct stripes patterns in their tails!!! Many siberian tigers have patterns just like it and since DNA testing has shown that they are the same subspecies that makes it even more interesting!!! Those siberian tigers have very caspian tiger like tails!!!!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/82814923@N08/8496478270/
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - lfelipe86 - 07-22-2022
Amur tiger with a very caspian like "beard"!!!! Their populations was separated very recently by human interference!!! It seems that this "beard" was a characteristic very common in caspian tigers around the caucasus region!!!!
https://www.freepik.com/premium-photo/amur-tigers-green-grass-summer-day_14812907.htm
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - lfelipe86 - 07-31-2022
An amur tiger with stripes pattern very similar to soraya´s pattern!!!! Soraya was a caspian tiger kept at an europian zoo during the 60`s!!!!
https://www.alamy.com/a-big-amur-tiger-in-the-wild-nature-image274623955.html?imageid=988CBF79-E0FC-4F5F-8085-A935E57DB4C0&p=866154&pn=16&searchId=f3e3e8ebe5e885de8653cab8375dae50&searchtype=0
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - lfelipe86 - 08-27-2022
Caspian tigers survival in Afghanistan is not impossible!!! A pair was captured in northeaster Afghanistan in the late 90´s and it seems that some fresh pelts were found in kabul during the late 2000s!!! It seems that remote areas in the north and northeastern Afghanistan may still hold a caspian tiger population!!!!
It’s Time to Restore Afghanistan
Afghanistan Weekly Update No. 215
Tiger pet in Kabul (P 10)
https://postconflict.unep.ch/publications/UNEP_in_Afghanistan.pdf
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - lfelipe86 - 09-01-2022
A Pakistan hunter may have seen a Caspian tigers!! It may have been a tiger coming from neighboring Afghanistan!!!
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/2021/12/26/the-curious-case-of-the-chitrali-tiger/
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - Piter2006 - 10-17-2022
About the Caspian Siberian Tiger Assuri from the Prague Zoo.
Does anyone know if he had puppies or if his semen was frozen?
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - Matias - 10-17-2022
(09-01-2022, 08:20 PM)lfelipe86 Wrote: A Pakistan hunter may have seen a Caspian tigers!! It may have been a tiger coming from neighboring Afghanistan!!!
https://www.thefridaytimes.com/2021/12/2...ali-tiger/
As people like to think that nothing is impossible, a story can be more than your story.
A hundred years ago the impossible was still confused with the improbable.
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - zulfu1903 - 12-20-2022
Here is a video footage of Soraya (famous Caspian tigress that loved in Hamburg zoo between 1955-60) i found on the internet. In the video she is the same enclosure with two male Siberians and seemingly in the heat. I wonder if she had any offsprings and if so what happened to them? Also i think the video presents nice chance to compare "streaks" between Caspian and Amur tigers even though genetically.they are considered the same (still bit of difference as Soraya had narrower and closely set stripes, and distinct tail rings as other Caspian tigers)
https://youtu.be/rjqnM3u_eXg
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - zulfu1903 - 12-22-2022
Here is an interesting depiction. The illustration is from 1855 and shows a tigress with two cubs from Kazan (Tatarstan). Later, Soviet zoologist Ognev mentions in his work (1935) that this depicts the Caspian tiger. Now I wonder whether Caspian tigers were recorded in that North-West. Weirdly illustration shows bamboo and palm/date trees in the background, which is obviously off for Kazan.
RE: The Caspian Tiger (Panthera tigris virgata) - zulfu1903 - 12-30-2022
Hello all and Merry Christmas/New Year.
There is something catching my eyes recently regarding this cat and wanted to share here and get your thoughts. I started to notice some historical depictions of Caspian tigers show some sort of white/grey mane, or at list fur on the back of neck. However, I don't remember any article/source mentioning this feature or didn't see it on photos of fur examples in museums, and actual specimens from zoo. Below are examples from two persian sources dating 16th and 11th centuries. Also added drawing of the pair in Berlin Zoo in 1897 (from Die Garterlaube journal), which this pair have a photo in 1899. However, the said mane isn't visible in the actual photo.
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