(11-14-2019, 09:31 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: 2 Ross males fighting over Birmingham females in KNP

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(11-14-2019, 09:53 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: How old are the Ross males?

(11-12-2019, 10:04 PM)Potato Wrote: "Is Mbiri Scar rn the strongest/biggest lion in this region including Sabi Sands too? 

I think he is. "

For sure he is no the strongest as he is not the strongest even within his coalition. Shaka is the dominant one in that duo. What comes to size then I have no idea. No one weithts those lions. For sure larger Mbiri is very big lion althrough there is quite a few males around as well considered as  very large. If I would have to bet who is the largers lion in Sabi Sands, Manyeleti and Timbavati combined then I would put my bet on Jurnior the Orpen male althrought it is of  course just a bet. It may be that larger Mbiri is indeed the largest lion in those arenas.

(11-12-2019, 10:04 PM)Potato Wrote: "Ross males are more experience  and bigger lions than Mbiris "

I definitely wouldn't bet at that. Actually I have never seen any official source talking about Ross males to be anythink above avarage. Also intrasting fact that there was report once of Mbiris chassing 2 Ross males off theirr buffalo kill. Mbiris were just 4 years old by that time. Overall if they would meet in 2vs2 I could put all my money on Mbiris

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(11-14-2019, 11:46 PM)Potato Wrote: 'I definetly think Scar is the strongest of the 2, Shaka is more agressive one yes."

From the old Tanda Tula raport from when Mbiris were taking over Myambula priide (https://www.umlani.com/blog/post/lion-update-mbiri-males-and-myambula-pride/)
"A couple of nights ago, we found both Mbiri males with 3 of the Myambula lionesses, the larger Mbiri was resting with 2 lionesses while the smaller male was coupled up with the third lioness. Interestingly it is the smaller male who seems to be the more dominant of the 2 males, often muscling out the larger male even when testing the scent of a female to find out her reproductive status. This is unusual as the larger males with their full dark manes carry more testosterone which not only makes them bigger but also more aggressive and defaults them into the dominant position of a coalition, but this is not the case with the Mbiri males, the heavily scarred face of the smaller male in comparison to the relatively untouched larger male tells a different story, and the big male is left to watch his brother mate from a distance and any attempt to approach the lioness in season is met with thunderous growls from the other male."

(11-14-2019, 11:46 PM)Potato Wrote: "Junior Matimba is impressive aswell, but i think his coalition partner Buddy is slightly bigger then him"

On base on what exactly?

(11-14-2019, 11:46 PM)Potato Wrote: "Be careful where you put your money, as i said i too belive that Mbiris are stronger in brute force, but Ross males are waay experienced, they fought many battles, smacked few times 3 Trilogy males in their prime at only 4,5 yrs of age. But as i said, i think Ross males are smart and will avoid fighting and move on, they have so much to lose risking it."

Mbiris are as well very experienced. They chassed around mentioned Ross males as well as currently dominant males of River pridde, they mop the floor with 2 Mapoza males and also had 2 big fights with unknown rivals (we can tell by the injures on Mbiris) from which they also came on top.

(11-15-2019, 01:48 AM)Potato Wrote: I have found that raport there: https://wildfact.com/forum/topic-lions-of-timbavati?page=33. Are there some other Ross males? :o

(11-15-2019, 08:36 PM)Potato Wrote: Mbiris are back north

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Quote:The Mayambula Pride – our residents for most of the last year – wandered into unchartered territory, and took this large pride quite far outside of the Timbavati.Although reports suggest that they were making a move back north, this suggests that the pride might not be seen as often as we would like in the coming months.

The Mbiri males joined them on their foray south, but did make a surprise appearance towards the end of the week when these impressive brothers could be heard roaring as they returned into an area that was once their fortress. For once, their roars did not go unanswered, and camped out in the western section of our concession, the young River Pride males began roaring in return. The Mbiri males heard this, roared back, and then listened. The River Pride responded. A year ago, the Mbiri males would have stood up and set off immediately in that direction to chase off any challengers that dared to stake a claim on their land. This evening, however, the two Mbiri males simply got up and walked off in the opposite direction. Only a few days before, the same River Pride males had been walking around near Tanda Tula Safari Campscent-marking and strutting around like they owned the place. I chuckled to myself thinking “they wish”, but after seeing that behaviour from the Mbiri males, I am now not so confident that they will keep this part of their territory for much longer.

(11-16-2019, 12:23 AM)Matimbalani Wrote:

(11-15-2019, 08:36 PM)Potato Wrote: Mbiris are back north

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Looks like they are not very keen in staying there very long:

Quote:The Mayambula Pride – our residents for most of the last year – wandered into unchartered territory, and took this large pride quite far outside of the Timbavati.Although reports suggest that they were making a move back north, this suggests that the pride might not be seen as often as we would like in the coming months.

The Mbiri males joined them on their foray south, but did make a surprise appearance towards the end of the week when these impressive brothers could be heard roaring as they returned into an area that was once their fortress. For once, their roars did not go unanswered, and camped out in the western section of our concession, the young River Pride males began roaring in return. The Mbiri males heard this, roared back, and then listened. The River Pride responded. A year ago, the Mbiri males would have stood up and set off immediately in that direction to chase off any challengers that dared to stake a claim on their land. This evening, however, the two Mbiri males simply got up and walked off in the opposite direction. Only a few days before, the same River Pride males had been walking around near Tanda Tula Safari Campscent-marking and strutting around like they owned the place. I chuckled to myself thinking “they wish”, but after seeing that behaviour from the Mbiri males, I am now not so confident that they will keep this part of their territory for much longer.

Things are shaking up very quickly in that area.

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(11-16-2019, 12:33 AM)Potato Wrote: Yes, deffinitely. They should very soon start looking for some pride to take for themselfs. They could easly take on looners Black Dam male and Giraffe male. Ross males as well could be an option althrough in that case it would be 2vs2 and not an easy way through.