(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

(06-18-2021, 05:29 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(06-18-2021, 04:56 PM)lionuk Wrote: When the Avoca pride encroached deep into the Monwana pride's territory, a large female from the Avoca pride was isolated and brutally attacked by the four Monwana females.

Unfortunately, she didn't survive. 

Is she sister of Avoca males? Or even older, maybe mother?.

(08-14-2021, 03:38 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The bigger Mbiri male. A true beast of male lion. I haven't seen another lion with tufts on the elbows, except for the Matimba male Hairy Belly. What a gorgeous mane, It guess could be due high level of testosterone among other possibly theory.

Screenshot from: Wildearth.TV 

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(08-14-2021, 02:17 PM)BigLion39 Wrote:

(06-18-2021, 05:29 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(06-18-2021, 04:56 PM)lionuk Wrote: When the Avoca pride encroached deep into the Monwana pride's territory, a large female from the Avoca pride was isolated and brutally attacked by the four Monwana females.

Unfortunately, she didn't survive. 

Is she sister of Avoca males? Or even older, maybe mother?.

(08-14-2021, 03:38 AM)Timbavati Wrote: The bigger Mbiri male. A true beast of male lion. I haven't seen another lion with tufts on the elbows, except for the Matimba male Hairy Belly. What a gorgeous mane, It guess could be due high level of testosterone among other possibly theory.

Screenshot from: Wildearth.TV 

*This image is copyright of its original author

Yes I agree mt friend, he is one of the most impressive around! Great genes! Tinyo, a smaller lion, has impressive elbow tufts and his mane grows around and connects to the tufts! Thats always a dead ringer for me if I see a pic and I can't make out his face  I look for those tufts!

(08-15-2021, 09:42 PM)Tonpa Wrote: Saw this posted by morganmulholland who is currently in Ngala, is it the shorter maned Mbiri male?

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

(08-15-2021, 11:44 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution.

(08-16-2021, 01:04 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:44 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution.

Nsemani/Mbiri was born in 2011 tho. I would say he as well as Scar looks similar to Slit Nose.

(08-16-2021, 01:04 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:44 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution.

Nsemani/Mbiri was born in 2011 tho. I would say he as well as Scar looks similar to Slit Nose.

(08-16-2021, 01:14 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(08-16-2021, 01:04 AM)Potato Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:44 PM)Timbavati Wrote:

(08-15-2021, 11:14 PM)Mohawk Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 12:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(08-14-2021, 06:21 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: Hairy belly could be the actual father of this Mbiri male. I know that the Matimbas sired Mbiris, but I think Hairy Belly was the specific one who sired this Mbiri male due to their resemblances.

No, Matimbas already split then, 2 Mbiris where sired by N. Matimbas and Scar definitely by Slit Nose Matimba:

There is no "definitely" when it comes to paternity with wild lions.  They look so much alike that we have to resort to whisker patterns to tell them apart.  And that method is not foolproof without very clear pictures. 

If whisker patterns or defining characteristics (stomach hair, prominent scar, milky eye, missing tail tip, etc.) are needed to distinguish between individual lions, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine paternity based just on looks. 

Until the lodges start taking DNA samples of every lion, there's no way of knowing exactly which lion sired another lion.  Instead of "definitely," it's better to use "in my opinion."

And what proof is there that the Matimbas were definitively split prior to the birth of the Mbiris?

As far I know, all of the Matimba's were still together in almost late 2013. In fact, the Nsemani/Mbiri male resemblances quite to Ginger too. Which lead myself to think that he also could have mated with the Mbiri females at that time. Btw, great words @Mohawk it's great read different kind of opinions. Thank you for your contribution.

Nsemani/Mbiri was born in 2011 tho. I would say he as well as Scar looks similar to Slit Nose.

Nsemani/Mbiri looks like Whiteface or Shaka to me.