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RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 08-26-2020
(08-26-2020, 07:26 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(08-26-2020, 02:38 PM)Potato Wrote: What examples are those? Could you provide at least one, single raport of such think. Also any wild lion makes kill at least from time to time so even if he indeed hunted from time to time on his own, still it doesn't place him above none and isn't even close enought for a term of great hunter.
Yes, i can make multiple examples just from past few months when he was alone..
April 2020 :
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By the size of the horns, that was a big bull, not many lions can kill adult buffalo on his own..
Also, here is him drinking at Orpens after he made a kill, 1 month or so ago:
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Also theres a video of him killing a wildebeest , when Giraffe pride was just watching at side, i cant find it rn, but its out there..
And latest and fatal hunt:
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(08-26-2020, 02:38 PM)Potato Wrote: He wasn't alone beside his vander to Orpen Gate. All other sightings of him were with some portion of Giraffe pride in company.
He was ousted by Monwanas in March/April, after that he was seen with his sons 1 time, and after that there was no sign of him for quite some time, only to be found alone in northern Thornybush 2 months ago, and then recently around Orpens Gate..
I think you are underestimating BDM as a lion, and i dont like it, and saying that he wouldn't survive on his own at this point is just nonsense, he survived already 4/5 months on his own pretty much and was still in perfect condition, and i think most of people on this forum would agree with me..
But all can have their own opinion, and i respect that, but we have different opinions, so theres no need for more discussion of this topic, because its pointless it seems..
The Black dam male has died like a king.
Sadly he was killed by the buffalo, But he left a magnificent legacy who lives on in both reserves, Thornybush and Timbavati.
Being a lone dominant male deserves a lot of credits, and even when he was very succesfully on it
I will post more pictures and video of him trying to taking down the buffalo.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Matimbalani - 08-26-2020
(08-26-2020, 08:20 PM)TinoArmando Wrote:(08-26-2020, 07:26 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(08-26-2020, 02:38 PM)Potato Wrote: What examples are those? Could you provide at least one, single raport of such think. Also any wild lion makes kill at least from time to time so even if he indeed hunted from time to time on his own, still it doesn't place him above none and isn't even close enought for a term of great hunter.
Yes, i can make multiple examples just from past few months when he was alone..
April 2020 :
*This image is copyright of its original author
By the size of the horns, that was a big bull, not many lions can kill adult buffalo on his own..
Also, here is him drinking at Orpens after he made a kill, 1 month or so ago:
*This image is copyright of its original author
Also theres a video of him killing a wildebeest , when Giraffe pride was just watching at side, i cant find it rn, but its out there..
And latest and fatal hunt:
*This image is copyright of its original author
(08-26-2020, 02:38 PM)Potato Wrote: He wasn't alone beside his vander to Orpen Gate. All other sightings of him were with some portion of Giraffe pride in company.
He was ousted by Monwanas in March/April, after that he was seen with his sons 1 time, and after that there was no sign of him for quite some time, only to be found alone in northern Thornybush 2 months ago, and then recently around Orpens Gate..
I think you are underestimating BDM as a lion, and i dont like it, and saying that he wouldn't survive on his own at this point is just nonsense, he survived already 4/5 months on his own pretty much and was still in perfect condition, and i think most of people on this forum would agree with me..
But all can have their own opinion, and i respect that, but we have different opinions, so theres no need for more discussion of this topic, because its pointless it seems..
The Black dam male has died like a king.
Sadly he was killed by the buffalo, But he left a magnificent legacy who lives on in both reserves, Thornybush and Timbavati.
Being a lone dominant male deserves a lot of credits, and even when he was very succesfully on it
I will post more pictures and video of him trying to taking down the buffalo.
In nature, you don't get a free pass. Hunting in a pack/pride reduces the risk of injury and death. I have no doubt that he would have survived as a lone/nomadic male but the risks go up significantly while hunting big game (as lions do because of their size).
Lions are social animals and are primed to operate at their best in a social setting in the specific context of their environment and prey. I learned a lot from the book Serengeti Rules and the lecture by the author:
Also, lions don't get into fights for the sake of getting into fights. Its a reward/risk assessment and if a lion miscalculates he/she will be promptly removed from the population and whatever tendency lead to that miscalculation won't propagate in the population.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 08-27-2020
Last photo of BDM:
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 08-27-2020
LOCKDOWN LIONS - THE RIVER PRIDE CUB BOOM!
There's little more exciting than getting up close with a wild lion - unless, of course, those lions are followed by a furry mass of adorable cubs! Our local lionesses have been extremely busy during lockdown securing the next generation of the indomitable River Pride. With 10 ridiculously cute cubs in the area, our guides couldn't be happier. Get the full story from Emily right here...
There’s a baby boom in town at Klaserie Drift! After an unsettled period in 2018 due to a lack of dominant males, the arrival of two large male lions has brought stability and calm to the lionesses of the River Pride. Now named Hosi and Socha by the relevant guides in the area, these rugged, regal males have slowly but surely proven their strength and ability to hold such a prime territory along the bountiful Klaserie River. After 6 months of patrolling and fighting off intruders, their trust was ultimately earned and the females began coming into oestrus, one after another, in the second half of 2019.
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Although not brothers by blood, these unrelated males have formed a deep and loving bond which is clear to see in their affectionate greetings. Whereas such a coalition is not the norm, it is certainly not rare as lone males have a very poor chance of survival, let alone being able to claim a territory and reproduce. Typically, males in any coalition will respect each other’s mating rights and only attempt to intervene on a female if his partner loses interest - which is why you will see a male constantly guarding the current recipient of his affections! Our boys were no different and both laid claim to different females at a time. However, we can never be positive of paternity as a female will often mate with more than one male, if given the chance, to ensure the entire coalition is invested in her cubs.
Thus it was that, in September 2019, the first little bundles of joy arrived. Five tiny cubs, born to two mothers, became the highlight and most sought after sighting for almost every guide and guest. Now just about to reach their first year milestone, we are proud as punch to report that 4 out of the original 5 are still flourishing. This is all the more amazing when you consider the average mortality rate for lion cubs is thought to be as high as 50% in their first year. These precious bundles face multiple threats from other predators - especially hyena and other male lions - as well as the risk of starvation. In a lion’s world, the competition for food is fierce and only the strongest eat first, meaning the cubs are often the last to feed and may not receive anything from a small kill. We are confident our pride’s success so far is the result of the strong, experienced leadership by the River pride females as well as the almost ceaseless, supportive presence of Hosi and Socha.
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With the first cubs continuing to thrive, two more females succumbed to the males’ charms and in roughly late February and July of this year, a total of 6 more tiny lion cubs appeared. Happily, all are still doing well. Furthermore, the original ‘core’ lionesses that made up the River pride has swelled from 5 to 8 and we have witnessed even more mating sessions of late - leaving us quietly hopeful of yet more additions in the near future! With so many little legs now attempting to keep up, the pride seems to have settled along the stretch of river that encompasses Misava Safari Camp, resulting in many incredible sightings for our guides. Most evenings and mornings, the air is filled with the deep, rib-rumbling roar of these immense cats laying claim to their pride-lands. Healthy and secure in their territory for the time being, it is a joy to watch this ever-growing family bloom and prosper. We have been truly blessed with many unbelievable sightings over these last months; a small reason to smile in such a difficult time for the industry. With the full pride now a mind-blowing 20-strong, it seems nothing can stop these phenomenal felines in their tracks.
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 08-27-2020
Black Dam Male, Thornybush December 2016 RIP.
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 08-28-2020
What a way to start the morning in Kruger.
The two Mbiri male lions in Kruger 26km from Orpen. 2 male lions chasing 2 other big males roaring aggressively the whole time.
They left the road close to Bobbejaans Krans view point and we could just hear their roars. Was amazing...
Photo credits: Twiga Travel Africa
Kruger National Park,date: 27.08.20
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 08-28-2020
(08-28-2020, 08:13 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: What a way to start the morning in Kruger.
The two Mbiri male lions in Kruger 26km from Orpen. 2 male lions chasing 2 other big males roaring aggressively the whole time.
They left the road close to Bobbejaans Krans view point and we could just hear their roars. Was amazing...
Wow, thats far east, half way to Satara, it seems that Mbiris are trying to expand their territory..
Any info who this males are.. Nsemani males maybe?? They look like Nsemani males to me..
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Matimbalani - 08-28-2020
(08-28-2020, 08:19 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(08-28-2020, 08:13 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: What a way to start the morning in Kruger.
The two Mbiri male lions in Kruger 26km from Orpen. 2 male lions chasing 2 other big males roaring aggressively the whole time.
They left the road close to Bobbejaans Krans view point and we could just hear their roars. Was amazing...
Wow, thats far east, half way to Satara, it seems that Mbiris are trying to expand their territory..
Any info who this males are.. Nsemani males maybe?? They look like Nsemani males to me..
How old are the Nsemani's?
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 08-28-2020
(08-28-2020, 08:35 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: How old are the Nsemani's?
Rockfig around 10, Mbiri a bit younger around 9 i think..
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 08-28-2020
(08-28-2020, 08:19 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(08-28-2020, 08:13 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: What a way to start the morning in Kruger.
The two Mbiri male lions in Kruger 26km from Orpen. 2 male lions chasing 2 other big males roaring aggressively the whole time.
They left the road close to Bobbejaans Krans view point and we could just hear their roars. Was amazing...
Wow, thats far east, half way to Satara, it seems that Mbiris are trying to expand their territory..
Any info who this males are.. Nsemani males maybe?? They look like Nsemani males to me..
The photographer has said that the one on the right ran a bit funny but everything happened so quickly.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 08-28-2020
Yeah they definitelly look like Nsemani males. Mbiris never stop to suprise me in their neverending look for a scrap with other males. Like 2 weeks or so ago they were seen way north in Simbavati and now again so far off their territorry and yet in another direction. Wtf they are doing. I mean answear is rather obvious - it must be search for more females to mate with, but why the hell they are trying to expand in all directions around? I do not get it.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 08-28-2020
(08-28-2020, 08:19 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(08-28-2020, 08:13 PM)TinoArmando Wrote: What a way to start the morning in Kruger.
The two Mbiri male lions in Kruger 26km from Orpen. 2 male lions chasing 2 other big males roaring aggressively the whole time.
They left the road close to Bobbejaans Krans view point and we could just hear their roars. Was amazing...
Wow, thats far east, half way to Satara, it seems that Mbiris are trying to expand their territory..
Any info who this males are.. Nsemani males maybe?? They look like Nsemani males to me..
This was 24 km away from Satara area.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 08-28-2020
(08-28-2020, 08:58 PM)Potato Wrote: Yeah they definitelly look like Nsemani males. Mbiris never stop to suprise me in their neverending look for a scrap with other males. Like 2 weeks or so ago they were seen way north in Simbavati and now again so far off their territorry and yet in another direction. Wtf they are doing. I mean answear is rather obvious - it must be search for more females to mate with, but why the hell they are trying to expand in all directions around? I do not get it.
I think that are Hercules and Sumatra.
Anyway it was a great sighting
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 08-28-2020
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 08-28-2020
(08-28-2020, 08:58 PM)Potato Wrote: Yeah they definitelly look like Nsemani males. Mbiris never stop to suprise me in their neverending look for a scrap with other males. Like 2 weeks or so ago they were seen way north in Simbavati and now again so far off their territorry and yet in another direction. Wtf they are doing. I mean answear is rather obvious - it must be search for more females to mate with, but why the hell they are trying to expand in all directions around? I do not get it
If those are Nsemani males, they are clashing with their older brother, that Mbiri male was still with the pride when those 2 where cubs..
A bit weird behavior, it seems that they want new territory, but still dont know which..