(04-26-2021, 10:11 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: Yeah a lot of hate for Bigger Vurhami around blaming him. But I still love the guy and hope he comes back stronger. As  @Tr1x24   said I don’t think it’s over.

(04-26-2021, 09:25 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-26-2021, 09:06 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Mpondos were massive males, and equally brutal as some of the most brutal coalitions. But, wow, these Mjejane bring with them a level of brutality reminiscent of the Mapogos, and with half the numbers.

Mapogos where know for brutality and agression because they where observed their whole life, but there was definitely coalitions in Kruger who had the same lvl of that, but we just dont know because they where not observed, or far less..

From few pieces that we got, Mantimahles where also brutal beasts when they came into scene, a lot of males and young males disappeared around the area where Mantimahles step foot on in 2016/17.

Mjejanes are also quite observed because of Mjejane Reserve, so we know what they are doing, but if they would be somewhere in Kruger, we would had no idea..

So when people say, theres no coalition like Mapogos or Majingilanes, thats very wrong assumption, because we cant follow coalitions which are in Kruger to same extend..

(04-26-2021, 11:03 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-26-2021, 10:11 PM)Brahimlegend Wrote: Yeah a lot of hate for Bigger Vurhami around blaming him. But I still love the guy and hope he comes back stronger. As  @Tr1x24   said I don’t think it’s over.

No need for hate,from our perspective it looks like that, but lions cant think logically like us humans, he was doing what his drive was telling him, he cant recognize state of his brother or judge if he is ready or not, they are animals afterall.

(04-26-2021, 11:47 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: Maybe that's where experience comes in. An older lion might intuitively understand what's going on and somehow protect his partner. HB and Skorro come to mind when Ginger was limping and Sizanani had the hip injury. Also the bigger Matshapiri would run around in circles chased by the Avocas while his brother was wasting away. Mo being young made the foolhardy calculation of trying to fight while his brother was in no state to do so.

(04-26-2021, 11:40 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: Thats the dynamic that played out with Southern Matimbas and BBoys. If the Matimbas had tried and picked off some of the BBoys when they could, they would have had a better chance of controlling their prides

(04-26-2021, 11:47 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: HB and Skorro come to mind when Ginger was limping and Sizanani had the hip injury

(04-26-2021, 11:47 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: Also the bigger Matshapiri would run around in circles chased by the Avocas while his brother was wasting away

(04-27-2021, 12:41 AM)Potato Wrote:

(04-26-2021, 11:40 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: Thats the dynamic that played out with Southern Matimbas and BBoys. If the Matimbas had tried and picked off some of the BBoys when they could, they would have had a better chance of controlling their prides

Easier said than done. That Mjejane defeated coalition of 6 being coalition of 3 themselfs doesn't mean it is easy think to do and any coalition can do that. It is likely that if Matimbas would try to fight 5 Birminghams it would backfire at them as odds in such confrontation would be in Birminghams favour.

(04-26-2021, 11:47 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: HB and Skorro come to mind when Ginger was limping and Sizanani had the hip injury

I do not know what Skorro did :o I assume you are reffering also to confrontation of Matimbas with Northern Avocas. Actions of HB there were not about protecting Ginger as Matimbas had much more than enough time to withdrew and insteed then were continuing roaring. Moreover in fact it was HB who charged Avocas not other way around.

(04-26-2021, 11:47 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: Also the bigger Matshapiri would run around in circles chased by the Avocas while his brother was wasting away

Same as in case above, this case was as well about territory, not about protecting coalition partner. Healty Matshapiri (who btw was smaller of the two, not a bigger one) tryed to defend his territory and Avocas tryed to take it from him. Moreover their confrontation did not even took place where Mohawk Matshapiri was so I do not know why would you even think it was about defending coalition partner.

(04-27-2021, 01:09 AM)Matimbalani Wrote:

(04-27-2021, 12:41 AM)Potato Wrote:

(04-26-2021, 11:40 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: Thats the dynamic that played out with Southern Matimbas and BBoys. If the Matimbas had tried and picked off some of the BBoys when they could, they would have had a better chance of controlling their prides

Easier said than done. That Mjejane defeated coalition of 6 being coalition of 3 themselfs doesn't mean it is easy think to do and any coalition can do that. It is likely that if Matimbas would try to fight 5 Birminghams it would backfire at them as odds in such confrontation would be in Birminghams favour.

(04-26-2021, 11:47 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: HB and Skorro come to mind when Ginger was limping and Sizanani had the hip injury

I do not know what Skorro did :o I assume you are reffering also to confrontation of Matimbas with Northern Avocas. Actions of HB there were not about protecting Ginger as Matimbas had much more than enough time to withdrew and insteed then were continuing roaring. Moreover in fact it was HB who charged Avocas not other way around.

(04-26-2021, 11:47 PM)Matimbalani Wrote: Also the bigger Matshapiri would run around in circles chased by the Avocas while his brother was wasting away

Same as in case above, this case was as well about territory, not about protecting coalition partner. Healty Matshapiri (who btw was smaller of the two, not a bigger one) tryed to defend his territory and Avocas tryed to take it from him. Moreover their confrontation did not even took place where Mohawk Matshapiri was so I do not know why would you even think it was about defending coalition partner.

Well, regardless of the numbers experience and confidence matters. Most of the accounts of the confrontation are here on this forum and there is no hard and fast rule. Junior chased the three Northern Avocas around and the Charleston's were a scourge for all young coalitions. Skorro did fight the three Northern Avocas by himself and took a beating but did not run back to his pride. The Avocas did find the Mohawk Matshapiri but didn't kill him mostly because they were focused on chasing the healthy Matshapiri. Ginger was limping badly and the accounts do suggest that there was a scuffle in the bush when HB moved in to confront the Northern Avocas. Recent accounts of Nharhus chasing the Mibiris suggest that the smaller maned would regularly stop and wait for his limping brother during the chase. That to me suggests that they are aware of each others condition and behave accordingly. Of course this is how we interpret things. Your interpretation may differ but I am not an expert so take my observation for what it is.

(04-27-2021, 01:27 AM)BA0701 Wrote: The Charlestons, from all accounts I have read were absolute destroyers. Just a few months back, out of the blue, recent images of Big Boy started popping up on these pages, and seemed to be doing very well in his brothers stead. I assume it is his staying in Kruger as to why we don't receive regular updates on his exploits, but he is still a monster for sure

(04-27-2021, 01:30 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(04-27-2021, 01:27 AM)BA0701 Wrote: The Charlestons, from all accounts I have read were absolute destroyers. Just a few months back, out of the blue, recent images of Big Boy started popping up on these pages, and seemed to be doing very well in his brothers stead. I assume it is his staying in Kruger as to why we don't receive regular updates on his exploits, but he is still a monster for sure

Big Boy was not seen in around 6 months, his pride and area where he was last seen is now under control of Snip Tail Mpondo.