(02-18-2020, 06:30 PM)Rage2277 Wrote:

(02-18-2020, 03:07 PM)Shadow Wrote:

(02-18-2020, 05:57 AM)Rage2277 Wrote:

(02-18-2020, 05:40 AM)Shadow Wrote:

(02-18-2020, 05:29 AM)Rage2277 Wrote: i mean..there's more than enough solid cases of tigers killing adult gaur with bulls they usually just hamstring and eat them alive like in the pic of munna with his bull kill

All people choose what they keep solid themselves. I might be more critical than others. I do believe, that tigers kill these animals, but I´m not at all convinced, that all claimed cases are clear. But this one is for me solid. Some others too, but since so rare are clear, this kind which have been examined are very interesting for me.

idk..it's pretty clear they were killed..when ever i see big cats with dead bovines i never assume they found them these animals aren't just getting sick and dropping dead..that's actually rare..like what are the odds..gaur or buffalo like all other prey of big cats die to predation more than anything else

Lions are known eat for instance elephants, which have died to natural causes, not predated. I don´t see any reason to doubt, that any other predators would pass "free meal" when noticing such. Many herbivores die to natural causes, there are simply too many of them to be all hunted by predators. So when I see a lion or tiger eating elephant or rhino or let´s say hippo, the first thought in my mind isn´t that they killed those animals, when we are talking about adults. They are simply so big and strong, that it feels more probable, that predator has found the carcass, especially with elephants and big rhinos. When we look at let´s say gaurs, as I said, I don´t see it impossible at all. But when talking about big bulls, I don´t take it for granted, that every carcass eaten by a tiger has been killed by it. For sure some have been, I don´t see it as something impossible, but it´s not easy either and I doubt that all tigers are able to do it. And hamstring is a term often used, but there are controversial opinions about it too. Some say, that it happens, when and if it happens more by accident than on purpose, while chasing. I have to say, that I can understand both sides, it´s far from easy to do too accurate things while running in full speed, but still some individuals show time to time very impressive skills. 

I wish, that some day we would see at least some photos in which a tiger and bull gaur "on action", but that obviously is very difficult thing and most probably most serious hunts concerning them happen in nighttime. But who knows if one day someone is lucky enough. Some luck is needed, when we are talking about rare things happening in covered terrain in dark.

elephant,rhino and hippo are in diff leagues to gaur the adults of these animals can't be killed by throat bites and hamstringing but adult gaur male or female can be killed,have been killed and do get killed by these methods and hamstringing isn't something that happens in a chase it's nothing complex the tigers literally chew off the tendons of the back legs to immobilize the gaur and just eat them alive or go for the neck after, that is something they intentionally do it's pretty obvious..they've even done it to smaller prey like sambar and nilgai lions do it too but not as often as tigers

(02-20-2020, 09:29 AM)Rishi Wrote: Bad news.... 

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A 14-16 years old tigress has died after a confrontation with a herd of gaurs at the Betla National Park, the core area of Palamau Tiger Reserve. The reserve’s field director YK Das said the tigress succumbed to her injuries at around 6pm on Saturday and her body was recovered around 7pm in Betla area.

“Injury marks and swelling were found on the body of the tigress in the post-mortem report. It seems the bison had lifted her up and slammed her to the ground.” Das said. The place where the tigress was found dead had numerous pug marks of both the big cat and bison, indicating a fierce tussle between them.
Secretary of Nature Conservation Society, D S Srivastava, who is also a Daltonganj-based tiger expert, said, “The tigress, which was 8.6-feet long, had a three inch-deep wound in her stomach which indicates a bison attack. Her claws and teeth were also worn out, probably due to old age.”

While this is the most concrete proof that there are still tigers remaining in Palamau area after all (2018 national report said there were none at the reserve), after about half a dozen or so indications over the past few years, but it's one less now.

She was quite old though, so it can be hoped that she managed to leave behind some cubs.


Sources;
https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news/tigress-dies-of-injuries-after-fight-with-bison-in-jharkhand-s-palamau-reserve/story-QDWtNB1UK4QbCFG7RpQ72I.html
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/ranchi/jharkhand-tigress-killed-by-herd-of-bison-in-palamu-reserve/amp_articleshow/74168116.cms

(02-27-2020, 08:08 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :

About#1852: what do you call "Buffalo bear" ? Buffalo, yes, bear, yes, but buffalo bear... By seeing the photos of the account you posted, I believe you were speaking about sloth bear.

But it's impressive !

(02-27-2020, 07:56 PM)Rage2277 Wrote:

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อุทยานแห่งชาติแก่งกระจาน - Kaeng Krachan National Park-Let's check out the victims of the tiger's victims from patrolling in kaeng krachan forest area, patrol officer and staff (WCS) Thailand found traces of battle and found the carcass of a large buffalo bear which assumed to be a tiger. Eating as food, it can be seen that tiger is strong enough to hunt large, dangerous like buffalo bear. It is another thing that confirms the fullness of kaeng krachan forest.
PS. The picture may be scary, but it is true of nature.
PS. The purpose of showing this scary broadcast so that everyone can see that the forest is still perfect. There are wildlife living so that everyone can continue to preserve the forest as a home of wildlife.

(02-27-2020, 08:08 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :

About#1852: what do you call "Buffalo bear" ? Buffalo, yes, bear, yes, but buffalo bear... By seeing the photos of the account you posted, I believe you were speaking about sloth bear.

But it's impressive !

(02-27-2020, 08:08 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :

About#1852: what do you call "Buffalo bear" ? Buffalo, yes, bear, yes, but buffalo bear... By seeing the photos of the account you posted, I believe you were speaking about sloth bear.

But it's impressive !

(02-27-2020, 08:51 PM)Pckts Wrote: My guess would be that they're saying a Male Bear but I'm not positive.

(02-27-2020, 08:55 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: It's himalayan black bear.

(02-27-2020, 09:53 PM)Rishi Wrote:

(02-27-2020, 08:08 PM)Spalea Wrote: @Rage2277 :

About#1852: what do you call "Buffalo bear" ? Buffalo, yes, bear, yes, but buffalo bear... By seeing the photos of the account you posted, I believe you were speaking about sloth bear.

But it's impressive !

(02-27-2020, 08:51 PM)Pckts Wrote: My guess would be that they're saying a Male Bear but I'm not positive.

(02-27-2020, 08:55 PM)Diamir2 Wrote: It's himalayan black bear.

It's a (not Himalayan) Black bear 100%... Buffalo is black. There's your connection, rest is lost in translation.

(02-27-2020, 11:41 PM)Spalea Wrote:

(02-27-2020, 09:53 PM)Rishi Wrote: It's a (not Himalayan) Black bear 100%... Buffalo is black. There's your connection, rest is lost in translation.

@Rishi : black bear in Thailand ? Are you sure ?

In a first time, I was so used to hear speaking about sloth bears preyed by tigers that I naturelly supposed it was a sloth bear. But now, in Thailand I rather believe it's a sun bear...