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RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-05-2016
Welcome @P.T. Sondaica
There is no correct answer to your question. The data that exists may say one thing but someone can find something that will say another. If you wish to research these options, I highly suggest it.
But the fact is, bengals and amurs are very much overlapping, you're better off just researching this on your own. Many here will be happy help and point you in the right direction, but no one here can to tell you without doubt.
Now on why I said that I doubt the Amur is larger than wagdoh is for this reason.
Wagdoh is just a big tiger, period. We're talking about tons of people who have seen all sorts of tigers say the same, he's the largest they've seen or one of the largest. He's what you call a "freak" imo, so the odds of any other cat, especially one that we just saw for the first time being larger than wagdoh would be rare.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - GrizzlyClaws - 10-05-2016
Manchurian Amur/Northern Bengal/Ngandong tiger
This should be a hell of a match.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Apollo - 10-05-2016
When it comes to Bengals and amurs, the old hunting records and the modern scientific records all show that bengals were heavier animals than amurs.
The silght difference in body length in favor of amurs may be due to different measuring procedures.
IMHO the Northern bengals in the Terai belt along with Northeastern Bengals (Kaziranga, Orang, Manas etc excluding Sunderbans) should be the biggest and heaviest living cats.
You have to remember that even Bengals had a very hard time in the past. They were decimated in hundreds by the Britishers and the Indian Maharajas after the introduction of rifles.
Even amurs were not hunted in that scale.
In Terai arc, Assam and Western ghats during hunting expeditions hundreds of Bengals were killed in weeks time. Regional extinctions started occuring and large genetic lineages were lost forever.
If you want to talk about ancient bengals and amurs before iceage. I think @GrizzlyClaws is the man.
According genetic studies, genetic bottlenecking occured in both the subspecies during the end of the iceage.
In most of the captive centers around the world the tigers what they call Bengals are not at all pure Bengals.
Purebred Bengals are very few outside India.
The Indian zoos are badly maintained (animals were not kept in ideal conditions).
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - GrizzlyClaws - 10-05-2016
The few remaining ancient tiger subspecies that survived after the Toba Eruption had to re-integrate with each other in order to thrive their decreasing population.
The Amur tiger was the re-combination of the Caspian tiger and the remaining Wanhsien tiger, while the Bengal tiger shared a most recent ancestor with the Indochinese tiger, and they probably did absorb/assimilate some leftover population of the ancient South China tiger or Sunda tiger in India. BTW, theoretically there could have a precedent tiger population that dispersed in India before the expansion of the Bengal tiger. But these tigers' attempt wasn't successful because India wasn't entirely jungle prior to the Holocene era. The Pleistocene grassland landscape of India was definitely more suitable for lions than tigers.
Amur tiger = Caspian tiger + Wanhsien tiger
Bengal tiger = ancient Indochinese tiger (probably having little ancient South China tiger or Sunda tiger)
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - P.T.Sondaica - 10-05-2016
(10-05-2016, 09:49 AM)Apollo Wrote: When it comes to Bengals and amurs, the old hunting records and the modern scientific records all show that bengals were heavier animals than amurs.
The silght difference in body length in favor of amurs may be due to different measuring procedures.
IMHO the Northern bengals in the Terai belt along with Northeastern Bengals (Kaziranga, Orang, Manas etc excluding Sunderbans) should be the biggest and heaviest living cats.
You have to remember that even Bengals had a very hard time in the past. They were decimated in hundreds by the Britishers and the Indian Maharajas after the introduction of rifles.
Even amurs were not hunted in that scale.
In Terai arc, Assam and Western ghats during hunting expeditions hundreds of Bengals were killed in weeks time. Regional extinctions started occuring and large genetic lineages were lost forever.
If you want to talk about ancient bengals and amurs before iceage. I think @GrizzlyClaws is the man.
According genetic studies, genetic bottlenecking occured in both the subspecies during the end of the iceage.
In most of the captive centers around the world the tigers what they call Bengals are not at all pure Bengals.
Purebred Bengals are very few outside India.
The Indian zoos are badly maintained (animals were not kept in ideal conditions).
But why in wikipedia siberian tiger is the biggest subspecies tiger?
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-05-2016
(10-05-2016, 11:10 AM)P.T.Sondaica Wrote:It doesn't say that.(10-05-2016, 09:49 AM)Apollo Wrote: When it comes to Bengals and amurs, the old hunting records and the modern scientific records all show that bengals were heavier animals than amurs.
The silght difference in body length in favor of amurs may be due to different measuring procedures.
IMHO the Northern bengals in the Terai belt along with Northeastern Bengals (Kaziranga, Orang, Manas etc excluding Sunderbans) should be the biggest and heaviest living cats.
You have to remember that even Bengals had a very hard time in the past. They were decimated in hundreds by the Britishers and the Indian Maharajas after the introduction of rifles.
Even amurs were not hunted in that scale.
In Terai arc, Assam and Western ghats during hunting expeditions hundreds of Bengals were killed in weeks time. Regional extinctions started occuring and large genetic lineages were lost forever.
If you want to talk about ancient bengals and amurs before iceage. I think @GrizzlyClaws is the man.
According genetic studies, genetic bottlenecking occured in both the subspecies during the end of the iceage.
In most of the captive centers around the world the tigers what they call Bengals are not at all pure Bengals.
Purebred Bengals are very few outside India.
The Indian zoos are badly maintained (animals were not kept in ideal conditions).
But why in wikipedia siberian tiger is the biggest subspecies tiger?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger
Also, while wiki is getting much better about updating it's still not a guarantee that all their facts are correct.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-05-2016
Big Boy Naakakta roaring!
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - P.T.Sondaica - 10-06-2016
(10-05-2016, 07:46 PM)Pckts Wrote:(10-05-2016, 11:10 AM)P.T.Sondaica Wrote:It doesn't say that.(10-05-2016, 09:49 AM)Apollo Wrote: When it comes to Bengals and amurs, the old hunting records and the modern scientific records all show that bengals were heavier animals than amurs.
The silght difference in body length in favor of amurs may be due to different measuring procedures.
IMHO the Northern bengals in the Terai belt along with Northeastern Bengals (Kaziranga, Orang, Manas etc excluding Sunderbans) should be the biggest and heaviest living cats.
You have to remember that even Bengals had a very hard time in the past. They were decimated in hundreds by the Britishers and the Indian Maharajas after the introduction of rifles.
Even amurs were not hunted in that scale.
In Terai arc, Assam and Western ghats during hunting expeditions hundreds of Bengals were killed in weeks time. Regional extinctions started occuring and large genetic lineages were lost forever.
If you want to talk about ancient bengals and amurs before iceage. I think @GrizzlyClaws is the man.
According genetic studies, genetic bottlenecking occured in both the subspecies during the end of the iceage.
In most of the captive centers around the world the tigers what they call Bengals are not at all pure Bengals.
Purebred Bengals are very few outside India.
The Indian zoos are badly maintained (animals were not kept in ideal conditions).
But why in wikipedia siberian tiger is the biggest subspecies tiger?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger
Also, while wiki is getting much better about updating it's still not a guarantee that all their facts are correct.
Wiki say that..siberian tiger 306 kg and bengal just 250 kg
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-06-2016
That's not what it says on the link I showed you from wiki and wiki isn't considered a reliable source all the time. You have read what apollo wrote and seen what wiki said but you haven't tried doing what I suggested ....
Research some sizes yourself.
You'll notice your "wiki" weights will begin to come down.
Would you like some threads you can do that on?
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Shardul - 10-06-2016
@Pckts Don't feed the troll.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Pckts - 10-06-2016
(10-06-2016, 08:32 PM)Shardul Wrote: @Pckts Don't feed the troll.
I'm hoping that he's just curious...
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Shardul - 10-06-2016
(10-06-2016, 09:04 PM)Pckts Wrote:(10-06-2016, 08:32 PM)Shardul Wrote: @Pckts Don't feed the troll.
I'm hoping that he's just curious...
I hope so too. But you know how it all starts.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - P.T.Sondaica - 10-07-2016
(10-06-2016, 10:31 PM)Shardul Wrote:(10-06-2016, 09:04 PM)Pckts Wrote:(10-06-2016, 08:32 PM)Shardul Wrote: @Pckts Don't feed the troll.
I'm hoping that he's just curious...
I hope so too. But you know how it all starts.
Im not trolling dude
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - Apollo - 10-07-2016
We saw this huge male Pac Man as he is called by the local guides around 4.30 pm in Zone 3 at Ranthambore National Park on 1st October 2016. This dude saw us for a good 20 minutes and posed for us as well. We tracked him for a good 15 minutes till we saw him face to face.
RE: Large male tigers from India (Videos Only) - sanjay - 10-07-2016
@P.T.Sondaica,
I can understand you are curious, I would suggest to create a new topic here - http://wildfact.com/forum/forum-questions
Ask your question in detail, give proper description and members here will try to help you