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RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Sanju - 02-16-2019
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Spalea - 02-23-2019
An other one video... But I'm not agree with the title, the reality is more complex than that.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Shadow - 02-23-2019
(02-23-2019, 12:08 AM)Spalea Wrote: An other one video... But I'm not agree with the title, the reality is more complex than that.
So there was more footage about this situation. Interesting to see how that tiger behavior changed when in same cage. From that footage before about these that tiger looked like ready to fight at any moment. Nice find and it is showing, that not too much conclusions can be made about actions, when there is fence separating animals. And it looks like, that this lion was the one with lighter mane. Earlier when seeing these animals it looked like, that that lion with darker mane wasn´t impressed about that tiger, but now it is obvious that neither was that other one then. And also size difference seems to be quite small after all.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Shadow - 02-23-2019
(02-23-2019, 12:08 AM)Spalea Wrote: An other one video... But I'm not agree with the title, the reality is more complex than that.
I mean that is same tiger and lions as in posting #30.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - paul cooper - 02-23-2019
(02-23-2019, 12:08 AM)Spalea Wrote: An other one video... But I'm not agree with the title, the reality is more complex than that.
Im sure im not the only one seeing the keepers throwing things at the tiger.
None of these are fights, they are just confrontations.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Spalea - 02-23-2019
@Shadow : We see clearly that one lion has a darker mane than the other one. Both lion, at first, seem to be indifferent to the tiger's behaviour and after the one with, as you say, the lighter mane enters the tiger's cage and in front of it the tiger chooses to retreat.
I don't know what to think... When I see one in front of the other one tiger has always bigger front limbs (it's blatant) and, thus, seems to be more powerful in this aspect... But the lion, without any fear, seems much more self-willed and determined in the majority of cases..
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Shadow - 02-23-2019
(02-23-2019, 12:55 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow : We see clearly that one lion has a darker mane than the other one. Both lion, at first, seem to be indifferent to the tiger's behaviour and after the one with, as you say, the lighter mane enters the tiger's cage and in front of it the tiger chooses to retreat.
I don't know what to think... When I see one in front of the other one tiger has always bigger front limbs (it's blatant) and, thus, seems to be more powerful in this aspect... But the lion, without any fear, seems much more self-willed and determined in the majority of cases..
There are more videos about these three. And in some that lighter mane lion even looks like to be waiting what that lion with darker mane thinks and do. And looks like to be submitting a bit for this tiger while darker mane lion looks like to be just curious and doesn´t care a bit about roars and swipes of that tiger. That´s why I find this new video so interesting, because here that lighter mane lion then acts like it does and tiger doesn´t challenge it anymore.
Male lion is of course well known for it, that it eats first in the wild, so no surprise that it goes for it also in captivity and is ready to fight for it if needed. What to think about these cases, well.... what you see is what happens. But as we can see many times, the shorter the video is, the more it can be misleading. So very nice when there can be found more material about some interesting situations.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Spalea - 02-23-2019
About #36: I wanted to say the lighter-maned lion.
And of course too, it isn't fights, just confrontations. But as concerns that, yes, I would say that lions seem to be more determined.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - paul cooper - 02-23-2019
(02-23-2019, 12:55 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow : We see clearly that one lion has a darker mane than the other one. Both lion, at first, seem to be indifferent to the tiger's behaviour and after the one with, as you say, the lighter mane enters the tiger's cage and in front of it the tiger chooses to retreat.
I don't know what to think... When I see one in front of the other one tiger has always bigger front limbs (it's blatant) and, thus, seems to be more powerful in this aspect... But the lion, without any fear, seems much more self-willed and determined in the majority of cases..
You meant that the lion is the aggressor because it wants to assure himself fake dominance because he is a social animal while the tiger is minding its own business/being playful. Maybe that is correct. And that the lion has his buddies in the same cage with him.
Here is the reverse situation.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Spalea - 02-23-2019
@Shadow
About #37: Perhaps in wild, as Graig Packer demonstrates it, the darker-maned lions seem to be dominant when they are confronted by lighter-maned lions. It would be interesting to see if one of these two captive lions dominates the other one... And perhaps if the tiger makes a difference between both lions according the mane colour...
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Shadow - 02-23-2019
(02-23-2019, 01:11 AM)Spalea Wrote: @Shadow
About #37: Perhaps in wild, as Graig Packer demonstrates it, the darker-maned lions seem to be dominant when they are confronted by lighter-maned lions. It would be interesting to see if one of these two captive lions dominates the other one... And perhaps if the tiger makes a difference between both lions according the mane colour...
It would be maybe surprising if tiger would make some difference based on mane color. But maybe if there are more than one lion, their behavior towards each others and overall might give some clues for the tiger to sense which one would be more dominant and more dangerous potentially.... Interesting point of view actually, what you are thinking. But I can´t say, that I would have any idea :) Some speculations only.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Spalea - 02-23-2019
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Sorry but I can't see your video, neither on firefox, nor on safari... But, other than that, I believe there is only one lion which enters the tiger's cage. I don't see the lion as an aggressor, the tiger retreats in front of it, and the lions doesn't insist, just starts to eat.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - paul cooper - 02-23-2019
(02-23-2019, 01:22 AM)Spalea Wrote: @paul cooper:
Sorry but I can't see your video, neither on firefox, nor on safari... But, other than that, I believe there is only one lion which enters the tiger's cage. I don't see the lion as an aggressor, the tiger retreats in front of it, and the lions doesn't insist, just starts to eat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJfaXWh5Oro
How come it doesnt work? That isnt what is happening in these cages Spalea or any of these vids. The lion is the aggressor in all these videos. Male lions are social animals, as i have already said. Both animals get fed.
https://www.quora.com/Would-a-liger-beat-a-tiger-and-lion-in-fight-at-separate-times/answer/Kizmin-Manhattan
Interesting read from this woman who works in many sanctuaries, and has talked to many keepers on what happens when these animals live together in the same enclosure.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Shadow - 02-23-2019
(02-23-2019, 12:08 AM)Spalea Wrote: An other one video... But I'm not agree with the title, the reality is more complex than that.
I actually found even more footage from that same place, looks like to be a very bad zoo and several fights between lions and tigers there. Some zoos just should be closed :/ It is like they would like to have some fight leading to serious injury or to death of a tiger or a lion. I have to say, that I don´t like at all what happens in chinese zoos based on some videos from those.
RE: Lion and Tiger Fight Interaction in Zoo, Circus or Any Other Captive Places - Spalea - 02-23-2019
@Shadow @
In short, I believe that animals never stop to measure each other. When I say it's blatant that a tiger has bigger front limbs, any lion confronted by a tiger must think "this guy has really very powerful paws !". And thus, it will not seriously get involved in a fight agains a tiger. But it is going to bluff it by intimidating it. And if the tiger chooses to retreat, the lion starts to eat immediately.
The balance of power between lions and tigers is very thin. Instinctively, the lions knows how far to push it without starting a real fight. And perhaps the tiger in front of its determination drops it, gives up, IMO.
Paul Cooper: the video you posted has been posted in the " Zoos, Circuses, Safaris; A Gallery of Captivity " thread at the #1445