(08-15-2020, 04:07 PM)johnny rex Wrote:

(08-15-2020, 01:55 PM)Bitishannah Wrote:

(08-15-2020, 07:22 AM)Balam Wrote: Jaguar predation on Morelet's crocodile in Mexico

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Is that the adult female Morelets which was taken while nesting? IIRC?

Yes, these pictures had been posted before. Don't remember which thread.

(08-15-2020, 09:21 PM)Balam Wrote: Jaguars as natural predators for sub-adult Orinoco crocodiles:

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@epaiva, you may be interested in this

"Within sub-adults, Gumilla (1791) and Godshalk and Sosa (1978) site the jaguar and anaconda as their predators. Cannibalism in crocodiles has been mentioned by Antelo (2008) by localizing the signal from the radio emissions carried by a sub-adult inside the belly of an adult female..."

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It makes sense for jaguars and anacondas to prey on sub-adult specimens of similar sizes to common caiman, maybe a little bit bigger, but the size range of crocodiles that may fall prey to jaguars is unknown due to lack of data and a reduced population that keeps us from studying their interactions in more details, sub-adults in the study, however, are considered to measure between 0.6 to 2.5 meters. The same paper mentions three reports of crocodiles from the 20th and 19th centuries which measured 5.8, 6.78, and 6.96 cm in length respectively.

Full study in Spanish: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/268208427_Generalidades_sobre_la_biologia_y_el_comportamiento_del_Cocodrilo_del_Orinoco_Crocodylus_intermedius

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Our team at Kirawira Serena Camp in Western Serengeti, Tanzania were lucky to witness a battle between a lion and a crocodile at the shores of the Grumeti River which is home to enormous Nile crocodiles during a game drive. The river falls on the migration trail of the million migrating wildebeest with the crocodiles having a feast each time these animals migrate. 

They managed to capture the aftermath of the fight. Sadly, the crocodile lost the battle this time round and the story ended up being a situation of hunter becoming the hunted

(08-15-2020, 08:52 PM)Bitishannah Wrote: Kleptoparasitism by Morelets croc on jaguar kill.

Quote:Cancun.- The President of the Republic, Andrés Manuel López Obrador, published on his Twitter account a video in which a crocodile chases and reaches a jaguar in the Cobá lagoon.
"Sometimes the kingdom of nature is cruel, look at the desperate and useless flight of a young jaguar that faced a lizard in the Cobá lagoon, Quintana Roo," the president wrote.

The video is one minute long, shot from afar. There you see a jaguar, swimming in the lagoon, in vain trying to reach the shore, with a crocodile following it, which reaches it and attacks.
Uploaded last night, the video already has 336 thousand views.

(10-18-2020, 02:42 PM)TheSmok Wrote: Data on interactions between Bengal tigers and saltwater crocodiles in Sundarban:

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The swimming abilities of tigers are quite surprising.
https://www.academia.edu/8062425/Ecology_Status_and_Aberrant_Behaviour_of_Bengal_Tiger_in_the_Indian_Sundarbans

Here are more details about the incident in which an adult tigress was killed by a 14-foot saltwater crocodile in Sundarban:

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http://inet.vidyasagar.ac.in:8080/jspui/bitstream/123456789/1159/2/4_Prasanta%20Pandit_IJBS.pdf

And from an older publication from P.K. Pandit:

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http://www.fao.org/3/a-am998e.pdf

(10-18-2020, 03:19 PM)Shadow Wrote: I posted that same source last August. So this same case comes up once a year then. I think, that this has been many times here too in different threads so in that way not so interesting to old posters maybe. But what makes it interesting is, that even though this is over a decade old case, it seems to be only really confirmed case known in which a saltwater crocodile has killed a tiger. Naturally environment is what it is, so quite difficult to know how many crocodiles tigers kill there and how many vice versa.

Naturally from Africa it´s well known, that lions kill crocodiles every now and then and some lions are even crocodile killer specialists. If anything can be concluded based on it, I would assume that tigers kill crocodiles too more often than some rare reports tell. Difficult to imagine, that tigress Machli would be only tiger noticing reliable easy prey, especially when on land or shallow water. This is what I think after trying to find out a bit more about interactions between big cats and crocodiles. For sure crocodiles have their moments, but known cases seem to back up more it, that more often big cats are the ones having a meal.