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RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 02-23-2022
Enjoy!
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RE: Size comparisons - GuateGojira - 02-23-2022
(02-23-2022, 10:04 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: Enjoy!
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Nice image, just one question, may you show the source for the record skull of the lioness? I was searching and the biggest one that I could found is of 333 mm from South Africa (Roberts, 1951).
RE: Size comparisons - Hello - 02-24-2022
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RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 02-24-2022
(02-23-2022, 10:25 PM)GuateGojira Wrote: Nice image, just one question, may you show the source for the record skull of the lioness? I was searching and the biggest one that I could found is of 333 mm from South Africa (Roberts, 1951).Hi Guate, sorry for the late reply.
Thanks for the compliments!
I got it from a guy and they can't find the source as off now as it's been alot of time since he gave me that database. As they find it, I will send you it.
RE: Size comparisons - GuateGojira - 02-24-2022
(02-24-2022, 10:11 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: Hi Guate, sorry for the late reply.
Thanks for the compliments!
I got it from a guy and they can't find the source as off now as it's been alot of time since he gave me that database. As they find it, I will send you it.
Thank you. Do you remember if it was a wild or a captive specimen?
I will wait for your information.
Greetings.
RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 02-26-2022
(02-24-2022, 10:31 PM)GuateGojira Wrote: Thank you. Do you remember if it was a wild or a captive specimen?As far as I remember the message with the info included (Kirby 1899) just after the measurent of this 345 mm skull for the lioness. So I hypothetically guess this skull measurement has as source Kirby 1899.
Now you're far more experienced than me in searching for sources on the internet and tracking down original papers so tell me if you can find anything regarding this source of Kirby.
RE: Size comparisons - Twico5 - 02-27-2022
Primorsky Krai
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RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 02-27-2022
About paw size comparison
Polar bear
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Kodiak bear
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Grizzly/brown bear
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Bengal tiger
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African Lion
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Siberian tiger
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Couldn't find any jaguar paw pics :'( @Dark Jaguar @Pckts I wonder if you guys have any
Cougar
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Leopard
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Wolf
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Canadian lynx (extremely large in proportion to the cat's body size which weights max like just 20 kg)
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Jackal
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RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 02-27-2022
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Despite the two lynx subspecies being relatively of the same size, the paw size difference clearly shows how Canadian lynx have proportionately larger paws.
RE: Size comparisons - Dark Jaguar - 02-27-2022
(02-27-2022, 09:11 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: About paw size comparison
Polar bear
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Kodiak bear
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Grizzly/brown bear
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Bengal tiger
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African Lion
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Siberian tiger
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Couldn't find any jaguar paw pics :'( @Dark Jaguar @Pckts I wonder if you guys have any
Cougar
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Leopard
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Wolf
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Canadian lynx (extremely large in proportion to the cat's body size which weights max like just 20 kg)
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Jackal
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Hey @"LoveAnimals" here are a coupe of jags paws.
Paw of 124 kg Cotim male.
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Paw of 134 kg M&M male
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Paw of a stocky male captured by Dr. Sandra Cavalcanti.
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Other Jags Paws.
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RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 02-28-2022
(02-27-2022, 11:43 PM)Dark Jaguar Wrote: Hey @LoveAnimals here are a coupe of jags paws.Thank you so much! That's very impressive, the 124 - 134 kg males are not even the size 148-150+ kg outlier but has already massive large paws so I can't even imagine the paw size of a Lopez sized male.
Stunning creatures. Tyfs
RE: Size comparisons - GuateGojira - 02-28-2022
(02-26-2022, 12:54 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: As far as I remember the message with the info included (Kirby 1899) just after the measurent of this 345 mm skull for the lioness. So I hypothetically guess this skull measurement has as source Kirby 1899.
Now you're far more experienced than me in searching for sources on the internet and tracking down original papers so tell me if you can find anything regarding this source of Kirby.
I was checking Kirby (1899) but honestly I did not found any lioness skull in his book of 1896. I also checked in the book of Bryden (1899) "Great and Small Game of Africa", specificaly in chapter about the lion (page 545) writen by Kirby and also he did not mention any skull from females.
In Rowland Ward records of big game from 1914 there is a huge skull reported as "female" with a GSL of 358.8 mm (sic!) which seems to be an obvious exageration, specialy by the fact that the zygomatic wide is only 222.2 mm (small for such a total length reported); interestingly the source of the skull is Vaughan Kirby, according with Ward.
Just for comparison, the biggest lioness measured by Stevenson Hamilton was an specimen of 317.5 X 203.2 mm (GSL X ZW); the widest is a skull of 219.1 mm.
From the large table of Roberts, the most reliable one on lion skull measurest that I have saw, the largest skull from a female measured 333 X 203 mm, and the widest was of 212 mm, both from Kruger.
Finally Hartstone-Rose et al. (2014), from a sample of 23 female lions (9 captive and 14 wild) it shows that the biggest captive one measured 330.5 X 234.1 mm while the biggest wild is of 311.3 X 204.5 mm. They also mention a "female" with a skull of 372.8 X 249.2 mm, but is obviously from a male.
RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 03-01-2022
(02-28-2022, 09:38 PM)GuateGojira Wrote: Finally Hartstone-Rose et al. (2014), from a sample of 23 female lions (9 captive and 14 wild) it shows that the biggest captive one measured 330.5 X 234.1 mm while the biggest wild is of 311.3 X 204.5 mm. They also mention a "female" with a skull of 372.8 X 249.2 mm, but is obviously from a male.
So basically I guess that until we get the proper source for that lioness the largest reliable skull length measurements lays between 311 - 330 MM. Whereas anything over there has to be takes as unverified.
RE: Size comparisons - AndresVida - 03-01-2022
Modern Elephants compared to the largest specimens of tyrannosaurus rex, Scotty and Sue, and the largest complete Giganotosaurus ever recorded (Holotype MUCPv-Ch1)
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RE: Size comparisons - GuateGojira - 03-01-2022
(03-01-2022, 08:39 PM)LoveAnimals Wrote: So basically I guess that until we get the proper source for that lioness the largest reliable skull length measurements lays between 311 - 330 MM. Whereas anything over there has to be takes as unverified.
Correct.