(01-17-2018, 12:34 PM)peter Wrote:

(01-17-2018, 04:01 AM)Jeffrey Wrote: A captive Lion and Tiger attack a horse during a circus. One of kany reasons I'm against animals in circuses . (noticeble their limited hunting skills in comparison with their wild once)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5270235/A-lion-tiger-attack-horse-Chinese-circus.html

The video was posted by PC not so long ago. It resulted in the exchange on this page. Just saying.

Opinion on what you saw appreciated, Jeffrey. Thanks for the input. My advice is to use another source of information. The Daily Mail, to put it mildly, isn't the most reliable of newspapers. Reading it online can have consequences for your computer as well (adds). 

As to the circus in China. Based on what I have, chances are that a ban is likely in the near future. 

A wild cat needs a lot of time to learn how to hunt. Only those who graduate will survive. Captive big cats, as you noticed, are mere shadows of their wild relatives.

The poor horse had a scare, but it did very well. I've seen mixed acts in Europe. It takes an experienced trainer to do it right. Accidents between captive big cats and large captive herbivores were few and far between, but they happened. In the great majority of cases, the cats failed. Half a century ago, when quite a few had been caught in the wild, things were different.

(01-21-2018, 02:23 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: Yes, he is from Zoo Ostrava (Czech Republic). BTW I think that Jamvan and his females are brother and sisters (?)...

Indian lions have been kept in the zoo in Ostrava since 2006 when a young male (* 2003) was brought from the zoo in Paignton. During the autumn of 2006, a female (* 2003) from the Eskilstuna Zoo in Sweden joined. Lion couple together lived harmoniously for several years, unfortunately failed to multiply it. In a special examination carried out by the staff of the Berlin Institute (IZW) in 2010, it was found that a female has unoperable ovarian cysts that prevent it from being trapped. That is why, at the recommendation of the EEP retention coordinator for Indian lions in 2011, we brought a new young lion (* 2007) from Rotterdam.

However, even youngsters have not been able to breed youngsters. In 2013, the animals were examined by colleagues from IZW and the results were positive in this case - both animals are well and fruitful. The female has since birthed twice (for the first time on 9 March 2015, the second time on 8 January 2016). Each time it was one female (female), lively and developed, which the mother had cleansed, but she did not have enough extra experience to take care of her baby. In both cases the cub died on the second day. Because it is a very rare and endangered species in the wild, any unnatural human intervention is excluded when rearing young animals. As in the case of other beasts, even in the case of lions, the first litters of the female are often unable to bred, but gain valuable parental experience and skills through gradual learning. This is in line with the lifecycle of many mammalian species who are taught their parental responsibilities.

Breeders promise to relocate the Ostrava male to help Indian lions both in Prague and Ostrava. The male left with the consent of the Indian lion breeding coordinator at a time when his partner is hopeful and he is burned and needs enough rest for the anticipated birth and subsequent offspring of the young. At the same time, the Ostrava male can be linked to Prague females in the meantime. We believe that thanks to this cooperation we can wait for the first litter of Indian lion born in the Czech Republic - whether in Ostrava or in Prague.

(01-21-2018, 03:13 PM)Amnon242 Wrote: This should be him...but I dont know much about this photo

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(01-25-2018, 03:52 AM)Amnon242 Wrote: Paris, predecessor of Jamvan, also asiatic

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(01-17-2018, 12:59 PM)peter Wrote:

(01-17-2018, 08:46 AM)stoja9 Wrote:

(01-16-2018, 01:50 PM)Betty Wrote: So that the victims do not speak, there is no crime in this world. And if all those who suffer are silent, the world will become a paradise full of happiness and joy. 

The perfect world exists only in fairy tales, Cruel things have been happening, even if unwilling to face, it still exists.  Check it again, ''Zoos, Circuses, Safaris ... A Gallery of Captivity.''




The Official trailer for Blood Lions, a documentary that exposes the terrible truth behind the predator breeding and canned lion hunting industries in South Africa.

oh, you of all people can just shut the fuck up. Literally ALL you ever post is stuff from these animal farms. 

(01-17-2018, 04:01 AM)Jeffrey Wrote: A captive Lion and Tiger attack a horse during a circus. One of kany reasons I'm against animals in circuses . (noticeble their limited hunting skills in comparison with their wild once)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5270235/A-lion-tiger-attack-horse-Chinese-circus.html

Oh...no no....apparently, we're supposed to "appreciate that" sort of stuff.

See no evil, hear no evil is one option. If we don't want to know about it and select at the gate, chances are it will continue. If it's noticed and discussed, things will change sooner or later. This the reason we need to discuss the black eye. I know you strongly disagree, but Betty has a point. There's no need for disrespect. If you disagree, use arguments. Way more difficult, but interesting.

Same for your summary of the effort to explain our position regarding the black eye. I know you disagree, but there's no need to enter sarcasm.

In the end, the aim of all of us is to prevent crappers learning at the cost of those who can't defend themselves.

The disagreement is about the method used to get there. I could ask Mike Tyson to explain our position, but chances are the authorities will disagree. A debate is slow, but it will have more effect. It is about consensus and laws.