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RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 05-11-2022

(05-11-2022, 02:06 AM)Potato Wrote: I find a bit suprising that Nhenha seem to be more dominant of the two. Nhenha surely is still in top shape, but Nkuchuma male is just about as large as Nhenha, but younger, fitter and one could expect also stronger. It doesn't seem to be the case through unless it will later on turn out that it is just single instance when Nkuchuma male is more subbmissive. 

As you said, Nhenha is still in top shape, despite his age, he is not injured or in bad condition to feel weak, he was always one of if not the most dominant of his brothers, so its not like he will "forget" that and submit to younger male.

NK male is still inexperience in this stuff, he was lone male and then briefly with Styx male, with who he never fighted for mating rights, atleast it wasnt seen. On the other side, Nhenha is fighting for mating rights with his brothers for 6-7 yrs, i wouldn't be surprised that NK male was confused why Nhenha is attacking, if he never encounter that.

Also dominace is not only show in case of fights for mating rights, until now, NK male showed that he is "leading", always leading the way, roaring, first approaching Othawas and chasing/submiting Othawas, while Nhenha was more taking secondary role, but I guess mating opportunity after ~ half a year of nothing, awoke him again.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 05-11-2022

"Battle-hardened.

The ‘club footed’ Ndhzenga male is recovering after being ambushed by 3 younger, unknown males. However, it does appear that he’s been knocked off his perch as the most dominant in his coalition of 4. Will he reclaim the top spot once he’s made a full recovery?" 
 Photo by brooke louise


RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Slayerd - 05-11-2022

(05-11-2022, 02:06 AM)Potato Wrote: I find a bit suprising that Nhenha seem to be more dominant of the two. Nhenha surely is still in top shape, but Nkuchuma male is just about as large as Nhenha, but younger, fitter and one could expect also stronger. It doesn't seem to be the case through unless it will later on turn out that it is just single instance when Nkuchuma male is more subbmissive. 

Even if those two won't be able to takeover Othawa pride then sitll having 2 females coming into heat (Ximunghwe and Othawa breakaway) is still decent price.

Tumbela male might try to stick to the Othawa pride, keeping also low profile, through it would be dangerous game. Leaving arena would be best bet for him through it would also lower chances of his offspring for reaching adulthood. Probably not by much through as anyway little he would have done if he would be up against 2 adult males.
Nhenha is still bigger and has far more experience in 1v1 fights. Also saying the Nkuhuma Male is just as big as Nhenha is similar to saying Ginger was just as large as HB or Mfumo was also just as large as Nhenha. But Nhenha and HB were still physically larger in frame and size. You can also tell the physicality of Nhenha when he easily dropped the Nkuhuma Male with a single paw. He does not need his claws and teeth to be sharp when he can just physically overwhelm you. Nhenha has always been scary in a fight. He gave Tinyo more wounds in one fight than the Avoca Males. Whether Nhenha won or lost against the Tumbela Male, he still came out of the fight in better condition with Skorro having a few injuries.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Bellateda - 05-11-2022

As soon as  these females are pregnant, males will wander off and sesarch new ones.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 05-11-2022

Lions are a notoriously infertile species. So it may still take months before they do. If they even decide to do that.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 05-11-2022

Look like some serious fight between Kambula girls, :



Not sure what is happening, looks like 2 younger females (or 1 older and 1 younger) are attacking older one, possible 1 of the older females are trying to rejoin the gruop who are with Ndhzengas, as they came in and calm down the situation.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Slayerd - 05-11-2022

(05-11-2022, 07:28 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Look like some serious fight between Kambula girls, :



Not sure what is happening, looks like 2 younger females (or 1 older and 1 younger) are attacking older one, possible 1 of the older females are trying to rejoin the gruop who are with Ndhzengas, as they came in and calm down the situation.
From what I can ID, it's 2 young females and Kambula #6 the infertile lioness. She has always been an aggressive lioness trying to dominate her sisters. These two might have not taken kindly to her bullying as they are getting older. It seems like the young females of the Kambula pride have also split for now. Daughters of Kambula #2 and daughter of Kambula #1 are with the pride and the other Daughter of Kambula #1, daughter of Kambula #3 and daughter of Kambula #5 are with their brothers.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 05-11-2022

(05-11-2022, 08:19 PM)Slayerd Wrote: From what I can ID, it's 2 young females and Kambula #6 the infertile lioness. She has always been an aggressive lioness trying to dominate her sisters. These two might have not taken kindly to her bullying as they are getting older. It seems like the young females of the Kambula pride have also split for now. Daughters of Kambula #2 and daughter of Kambula #1 are with the pride and the other Daughter of Kambula #1, daughter of Kambula #3 and daughter of Kambula #5 are with their brothers.

Maybe she hasn't been with them in a while, infertile is known for roaming around, maybe she was with other gruop and now trying to get back.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tr1x24 - 05-11-2022

New cubs in Kambula pride are expected soon :



RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 05-11-2022

We saw how quickly Gingerella got kicked from her pride after being gone for just a few months. So it wouldn't surprise me. 
Especially seeing how much the dynamics in that pride has changed recently.

I guess she lost her scent passport.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Slayerd - 05-11-2022

(05-11-2022, 09:31 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: We saw how quickly Gingerella got kicked from her pride after being gone for just a few months. So it wouldn't surprise me. 
Especially seeing how much the dynamics in that pride has changed recently.

I guess she lost her scent passport.

That's different, the Othawa Lionesses saw Gingerella as a threat to the cubs. There is no cubs for the Kambula Lionesses and the infertile lionesses had gotten away with bringing new males into the territory for years. She must have pissed off the young females.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 05-11-2022

(05-11-2022, 06:50 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Lions are a notoriously infertile species.


In relation to other mammal species? Is there a source for this?

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 05-11-2022

Its hard to get an exact figure. But I have seen figures ranging between a 40 percent chance of pregnancy each heatcycle or 1 out of 5 heat cycles resulting in pregnancy. I don't know how this relates to other animals. But it apparently is noteworthy enough to be spread around as a factoid. It also may include mock mating. 

In any case those two will likely be distracted for a while if this is a serious take over of the Ximhungwe pride. 

CatCollection - Lion
Lion Reproduction & Offspring of the African Lion | ALERT (lionalert.org)

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Duco Ndona - 05-11-2022

(05-11-2022, 09:53 PM)Slayerd Wrote:
(05-11-2022, 09:31 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: We saw how quickly Gingerella got kicked from her pride after being gone for just a few months. So it wouldn't surprise me. 
Especially seeing how much the dynamics in that pride has changed recently.

I guess she lost her scent passport.

That's different, the Othawa Lionesses saw Gingerella as a threat to the cubs. There is no cubs for the Kambula Lionesses and the infertile lionesses had gotten away with bringing new males into the territory for years. She must have pissed off the young females.

If she was still seen as part of the pride she wouldn't be considered a threat to the cubs.

RE: Lions of Sabi Sands - Tonpa - 05-12-2022

Weird, 40% per cycle sounds quite high then compared to the human 25-30% per cycle. Definitely sounds like a factoid