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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 11-19-2019
I missed some thinks. I posted one photo of injured Avoca/Girafe malee and it seems it was caused by Ross males atack
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"They certaintly look more like young Ross males"
Aren't they all of same blood - old Ross males? If yes then I would not judge by how they look.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 11-20-2019
I am not sure if those are young RP males (I think they are) or some other young coalition.
https://www.sundestinations.co.za/blog/vuyela-coalition-of-lions-gorge-on-a-gutsy-giraffe/?fbclid=IwAR2INU8KUv0jqFTNLCe6vRXD5mgmkCbIavVqTa04HLAQJ_Wp8T4LOKwQQ-I
A coalition of 5 male lions and 1 lioness happen to be the talk of the town in the southern stretches of the Klaserie Private Nature Reserve. The strapping and dominant presence of the lions has certainly fuelled the rumour mill. That rumour mill clunks into action whenever there’s a sighting – debates and conjecture waft into general conversation, with all parties eagerly trying to establish the origins of the lions. This is par for the course when new lions are regularly seen in an area. Their complex social structures and pride dynamics always require healthy discussion. It is now settled, and the 6 lions that we previously referred to as the “6 Unknown Lions” are called the Vuyela Coalition of lions. The Vuyelas seem to be experts at taking down giraffe and have been spotted on 7 different kills since Spring time. Today, we’re sharing images from the Vuyela’s recent gorge fest on a gutsy giraffe.
So why Vuyela? In Shangaan, Vuyela means “to return”. These lions have returned time and time again to Africa on Foot; and we hope they are here to stay. We’d like to see a coalition firmly entrenched in this part of the Klaserie, because in reality there’s a lack of commitment from lions wanting to establish themselves. Since the Trilogy coalition, Ross Pride and Ross Pride Breakaways, we’ve not really seen “local” leos. We need lions to create a kingdom and settle into the Africa on Foot and nThambo Tree Camp traverse.
If you take time to scroll and stalk the Sun Destinations, Africa on Foot and nThambo Tree Camp Facebook pages you’ll notice an arsenal of updates about an “unknown pride of 6”. Those posts are about the recently named Vuyeleas. In due course, we’ll get our guides and videographer to delve into the history of the pride and give their take on the Vuyelas.
Let’s take a little squiz into the past. When the Ross Pride breakaways moved onto greener pastures in lion dreamland up in the sky, it left a space for other lions to move into new territories. The breakaways dominated every pocket of landscape, and certainly took on the role of village bicycle with any wandering males. Over the years they birthed many joyous bundles of fluff, that never saw maturity.
The swaggering Trilogy coalition were the Kings of the traverse, but sadly are no longer around. Of course, the River Pride used to wander across – and still do – but never hung around long enough to stake a claim. The Hercules Pride became more prominent when the kingdoms had no leaders. The Mbiris were also around for a while, and so was the Mapoza male. A couple years back there were also sightings of the Dundee Pride, a mega-pride of 20 lions. Throughout the years, the camps have enjoyed sporadic sightings of a number of lions and prides, which means there are never a shortage of lion sightings.
Dynamics and social structures aside, we just want the Vuyela leos to stay put. Come 2020, are we up for another turbulent and non-committal year of prides and coalitions? Let’s just wait and see !
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 11-20-2019
Young RP male
The newcomer, one of a new coalition of male lions confidently strolls through the territory of the Mbiri males
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 11-20-2019
Northen Timbavati, Western pride with some 2 unknown newcomers
We had the pleasure of seeing lions mating last week, not something that you get to witness very often. We're not 100% sure which prides these two belong to, nevertheless, always nice to have the prospect of having youngsters around
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 11-20-2019
(11-20-2019, 09:34 PM)Potato Wrote: I am not sure if those are young RP males (I think they are) or some other young coalition.
I think those are this guys:
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Hard times for lone males and other coalitions of Timbavati and Klaserie ahead, with it seems 2 big coalitions of young/nomadic males around.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 11-21-2019
If they are indeed two different coalitions then they are in more or less same arena, of about same age and same coalition numbers so I do not think it is coincidance. I am not sure of it, but I think Vuyela and young RP are same cooalition of lions.
Young RP males.
After another rainy night, the river pride was located early this morning on a young giraffe kill. The brothers focus intensely on hyena approaching in the distance, observing their every move...
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 11-22-2019
(11-21-2019, 09:29 PM)Potato Wrote: If they are indeed two different coalitions then they are in more or less same arena, of about same age and same coalition numbers so I do not think it is coincidance. I am not sure of it, but I think Vuyela and young RP are same cooalition of lions.
Young RP males.
After another rainy night, the river pride was located early this morning on a young giraffe kill. The brothers focus intensely on hyena approaching in the distance, observing their every move...
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Well they could be the same lions, it seems that people in the reserves are confused too, some they indetify as RP young males, some as unknown males and even Vuyatela males.
2 males from my report of unknown males are very similar to yours of RP males, so its very likely that those are the same lions.
Will see in further reports and sightings.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 11-22-2019
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Well after closer look, this male is the same, and possibly another one is one of this two, so yea, this unknown/Vuyatela new males are indeed RP males.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 11-22-2019
Mapoza male with 2 massive young Xikukutsu males at northwestern part of Thornybush,i think its pretty much done deal that they will be a coalition of 3.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2625771000817274&id=2117261228334923
They had a little scrap with 2 young Monwana males ( sired by mighty Black Dam male). Monwana pride is also in that area, lets hope that they can avoid those males because they have few sub-adults, last litter of legendary Trilogy male Scar, who died few months ago after beign injured in a fight vs Mapoza male (maybe Xikukutsu males where involved too) and now his pride and cubs are unprotected.
Giraffe male with Black Dam pride is further south in Thornybush, they can be in danger too if those 3 will push further south.
Will that mean that Mapoza male will abandon Avoca pride? Its yet to be seen.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 11-22-2019
It looks like lion dynamic in Timbavati are upside down and I am getting confused by it. It is really hard to keep up with it.
Tanda Tula
To begin with, a correction is needed on last week’s discussion of how the River Pride males were taking over the Mbiri’s territory. This was not because the Mbiri’s returned to claim their land (although, as I type this I can hear them roaring near camp), but rather the fact that we have been able to positively establish the identity of the three males, and know for certain that they are not the River Pride young males, but rather three new boys that appear to originate from the Klaserie Private Nature Reserve. The females that they are spending their time with are the four River Pride lionesses, and as it stands, it does appear that they may in fact, be setting themselves up as the pride males for these four ladies. These two groups of lions provided for the bulk of our lion viewing this week, with the highlight being the three males roaring into the darkness one evening.
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Three of the lionesses were seen with a baby giraffe kill earlier in the week and then spent two days sleeping off fat bellies before the fourth lioness re-joined. The week closed off with a sighting of the two Zebenine lionesses resting next to their zebra kill, and it was wonderful to see both of them looking so healthy. The Mayambula Pride remained unseen, despite the positive news that they did return to our concession, albeit briefly; their tracks were found on the far eastern boundary, but sadly we never caught up with them. Other reports of lions in the area included the Giraffe Pride in the far west, as well as the other new pride of five males and one lioness in that western sector, but with lions in the east, the Tanda Tula guides didn’t venture that far afield.
There is plenty questions after this raport:
1. The last year River pride spent their time with 2 unknown male. Did those three newcomers ousted mentioned duo or perhaps same coalition just before we seen only part of the coalition?
2. What will happen with current cubs of River pride? Are those males the fathers and will accept them?
3. If they were with River pride before cubs were born why didn't they fought Mbiri males when about month ago Mbiris entered Klaserie and mated with one of the River pride females?
4. Recently I posted also some otherr young newcomers mating with Western pride females. Are those the same males which are now with River pride.
5. "This was not because the Mbiri’s returned to claim their land (although, as I type this I can hear them roaring near camp)" Will those three answer Mbiri's roars? Are they ready yet to take on mighty Mbiris (the male in the photo looks young with that mane) or perhaps I should have asked if Mbiris are ready to take on those youngsters being outnumbered. I personaly put my pet on Mbiris but who know.
6. Are those who recently gave quite a heavy beating to Shaka?
7. Are those five males seen in the west young RP or Vuyatela and again are they the same lions?
8. Are those five seting thir sight on Giraffe pride which is in the same arena?
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 11-27-2019
Massive Birmingham pride with 20 members back at Ngala Private Game Reserve
video:
Followed by 2 Ross males
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 11-27-2019
November at Umlani
LIONS
With the Myambula pride still absent from our concession this past month, we have seen the River pride moving in and taking advantage of the prime lion habitat. Making a few kills and generally claiming it as their own. However they were not the only ones taking advantage of the area, Novemeber saw 3 male lions move in from the adjacent Klaserie Game Reserve, these males have moved right into the heart of the Mbiri males territory and have been seen scent marking and roaring staking a claim to the area, a bold challenge that has remained unanswered by by the Mbiri males who have been spending most of their time in the deep south of the reserve with the Myambula pride, they did make one foray up north and we thought the challenge on the 3 new males was imminent, however the 2 older males on hearing the roars of the 3 new males uncharacteristically turned and moved off in the opposite direction. Interesting times ahead for the lions in the area.
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Note : Ealier on I was posting pics from Umlani and Rockfig with description that thoise are young River males, but last Tanda Tula raport confirmed that those are NOT young RP males, but new coalition of 3 young males which is now hanging with River pride.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Matimbalani - 11-27-2019
Frankly, I don't mind the Mbiri's moving out of Timbavati completely. With lion hunting permitted you never know.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 11-28-2019
Mapoza and Xikukutsu
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I have some difficulty with puting there video from the scuffle between Mapoza and Xikukutsu, but if you' re intrested go to that page:
https://www.facebook.com/makanyiprivategamelodge/?__tn__=kCH-R&eid=ARCE7SZfvLiTcF2m4G6q4HhwOop3_Dw1pBUt060mdk7dlC_Y1_KSOSJUHgv5E07DsSU_z9KpJS4BvWDY&hc_ref=ARQ-vgeXUx2GU-RSpYDUieQJnYfpHfG4tKbBRz74vDraS8Yov_twVOXWzItVqFlGvEs&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARDprTA8gx0-VpAaDf2Ms2d3BQKYcKDI6Ob3xp_5OM0ZM6NXIYG9d_e0D6n9EqxMJCKgwC5NnSUon9URFsCVt_hjsrdEucIFgIGStUwWK-4eczLchCvTF5WmiDcJ_mK-bJT6erNp2VdhzTvjwxV6L4V-wYvOLJcaofju83L2ixdaEtFcchEGKooS0Yya4ikmb7K2rdoYNOvkiU007jU13Hx2NREw2GITASbm8n3Oux4C1O4YZ5iyR-w8_dFJyps01d1z5-HHTE3PmX7UmJSy4iTtYibrLhrqZd9CCdIXEPrHCRxLK3Y0lF-IdN4a8vuWZSTGlV_QJj09kJggXWilYZ_lAH9gORU1D5-rnx0US9ydCHn3soaq3nQrwz0pd0hkfd-Rz6MU9vrpWuD4cJR3jaTMOdKLrJ5_-gs9lwGMb4_yVKsinDAtVaoqB8hDl50AVd2AUCjXxvtujqwbKgqIjSKt_ujvBE5C-JGlQY-OpUZBAMcpfmhXsU2GMbqayNWpthly9QsOb3j-EcwphuPt0A
and you will find it in comment section under newest post.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 11-28-2019
Black Dam pride