(11-26-2021, 12:20 AM)sundarbans Wrote: Has there been any updates about the Tsalalas? Is it confirmed that the PC males were the ones that killed the Tsalala Princess and what would be the reason for their doing so? And any news about the daughter?

(11-28-2021, 08:04 PM)Timbavati Wrote: A great sighting of the fifth Mantimahle and one of the S36/Mantimahle young males in Northern Sabi Sands
Photo credits: Andrew Aveley

(11-29-2021, 02:27 AM)sik94 Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 01:55 AM)Mdz123 Wrote: When and why did he seperate from his brothers?

A bit how DM got separated from the N. Avocas, and at some point another coalition probably ended up pushing them apart, making it a permanent split.

(11-29-2021, 08:17 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 08:11 AM)DE_66 Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 07:28 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 03:16 PM)Slayerd Wrote: The problem for the Tsalala young female isn't her ability to survive on her own like the Sparta cub. Obviously the wild is unpredictable so all things are a danger but her skills should be good enough. She is 2 years and 10 months,nearly 3 years old. Certain lioness fall pregnant earlier like Sassy who had her first cubs at 3 years. The biggest problem is the other lions around her. She has no safety net. To the west is the Mangheni and Othawa, to the east is the Nkuhuma, to the south is the kambula breakaway and south east is the Kambula pride. She is also surrounded by males and can't use mating as a means to save herself. The only males she is safe with is her father but Nhenha is near the Kambula famales. She has to try and stay low and not bring attention to herself

To clarify for the records:  Tsalala Young Female  was born March 2019, making her 2.8 years old.  Also, Sassy mated at 3.4 years old and had her cubs when she was 3.8 years old. so this makes her almost a full year short of being within mating/estrus age.   Long, difficult path ahead

Can someone confirm?  I'm pretty sure Sassy was born in late 2015 (I thought December, but I could be wrong).  I remember her first litter of cubs appearing towards the end of 2018.
I also thought the Tsalala Princess was born in late 2018, but my memory is a lot more fuzzy with regards to her.

Sassy was born between January to February 2015. 


Othawa Pride pride status May 2015
Total = 6
3 females (born 2007 daughters of the Mapogos)
3 cubs born approx mid - late January 2015 to lioness #2
2 males & one female
The cubs fathered by Majingilanes
First viewing on drive March 17

(11-11-2021, 10:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(11-11-2021, 10:25 PM)Gijima Wrote: @lionuk Thank you, at least someone saw him in person.

This most recent Londolozi story is insane. Even though I know the outcome I didn't realize how much of a stand the Avocas made. According to the rangers "one Avoca male is marching straight to where the four N'Was are vocalizing" (I'm paraphrasing) They only retreated at the last minute and then spend one full day roaring in Mala Mala knowing full well they are being pursued.

I can't even wrap my head around how they evaded being caught. One wrong move or even loss of focus those two days and they would have had four hungry lion on top of them (all for N'Ws including Gore looked great, and very aggressive). 

The Avocas better not pull a stunt like that ever again, although I must say I admire them for trying.

They tried, but yea, 4 vs 2 is impossible to defeat. 

Im glad we had witness it (it might not be over yet) and nobody got killed, its so rare we have big porportions events like this. 

Does anyone has some recent info about N'ws?? Nothing on them since they where seen mating with that infertile Kambula, which was 2 days ago.

(11-29-2021, 08:23 AM)DE_66 Wrote:

(11-28-2021, 08:04 PM)Timbavati Wrote: A great sighting of the fifth Mantimahle and one of the S36/Mantimahle young males in Northern Sabi Sands
Photo credits: Andrew Aveley

Whoa, the apple fell very close to the tree!  They both look magnificent!

(11-29-2021, 08:32 AM)DE_66 Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 08:17 AM)Timbavati Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 08:11 AM)DE_66 Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 07:28 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:

(11-21-2021, 03:16 PM)Slayerd Wrote: The problem for the Tsalala young female isn't her ability to survive on her own like the Sparta cub. Obviously the wild is unpredictable so all things are a danger but her skills should be good enough. She is 2 years and 10 months,nearly 3 years old. Certain lioness fall pregnant earlier like Sassy who had her first cubs at 3 years. The biggest problem is the other lions around her. She has no safety net. To the west is the Mangheni and Othawa, to the east is the Nkuhuma, to the south is the kambula breakaway and south east is the Kambula pride. She is also surrounded by males and can't use mating as a means to save herself. The only males she is safe with is her father but Nhenha is near the Kambula famales. She has to try and stay low and not bring attention to herself

To clarify for the records:  Tsalala Young Female  was born March 2019, making her 2.8 years old.  Also, Sassy mated at 3.4 years old and had her cubs when she was 3.8 years old. so this makes her almost a full year short of being within mating/estrus age.   Long, difficult path ahead

Can someone confirm?  I'm pretty sure Sassy was born in late 2015 (I thought December, but I could be wrong).  I remember her first litter of cubs appearing towards the end of 2018.
I also thought the Tsalala Princess was born in late 2018, but my memory is a lot more fuzzy with regards to her.

Sassy was born between January to February 2015. 


Othawa Pride pride status May 2015
Total = 6
3 females (born 2007 daughters of the Mapogos)
3 cubs born approx mid - late January 2015 to lioness #2
2 males & one female
The cubs fathered by Majingilanes
First viewing on drive March 17

Thank you for the correction.  I must have mixed up her birth with some other lions I was following.

(11-29-2021, 08:36 AM)DE_66 Wrote:

(11-11-2021, 10:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(11-11-2021, 10:25 PM)Gijima Wrote: @lionuk Thank you, at least someone saw him in person.

This most recent Londolozi story is insane. Even though I know the outcome I didn't realize how much of a stand the Avocas made. According to the rangers "one Avoca male is marching straight to where the four N'Was are vocalizing" (I'm paraphrasing) They only retreated at the last minute and then spend one full day roaring in Mala Mala knowing full well they are being pursued.

I can't even wrap my head around how they evaded being caught. One wrong move or even loss of focus those two days and they would have had four hungry lion on top of them (all for N'Ws including Gore looked great, and very aggressive). 

The Avocas better not pull a stunt like that ever again, although I must say I admire them for trying.

They tried, but yea, 4 vs 2 is impossible to defeat. 

Im glad we had witness it (it might not be over yet) and nobody got killed, its so rare we have big porportions events like this. 

Does anyone has some recent info about N'ws?? Nothing on them since they where seen mating with that infertile Kambula, which was 2 days ago.

N'was COULD end up like the Vurhamis IF they're not careful.

(11-29-2021, 03:38 PM)WildRev Wrote:

(11-29-2021, 08:36 AM)DE_66 Wrote:

(11-11-2021, 10:43 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(11-11-2021, 10:25 PM)Gijima Wrote: @lionuk Thank you, at least someone saw him in person.

This most recent Londolozi story is insane. Even though I know the outcome I didn't realize how much of a stand the Avocas made. According to the rangers "one Avoca male is marching straight to where the four N'Was are vocalizing" (I'm paraphrasing) They only retreated at the last minute and then spend one full day roaring in Mala Mala knowing full well they are being pursued.

I can't even wrap my head around how they evaded being caught. One wrong move or even loss of focus those two days and they would have had four hungry lion on top of them (all for N'Ws including Gore looked great, and very aggressive). 

The Avocas better not pull a stunt like that ever again, although I must say I admire them for trying.

They tried, but yea, 4 vs 2 is impossible to defeat. 

Im glad we had witness it (it might not be over yet) and nobody got killed, its so rare we have big porportions events like this. 

Does anyone has some recent info about N'ws?? Nothing on them since they where seen mating with that infertile Kambula, which was 2 days ago.

N'was COULD end up like the Vurhamis IF they're not careful.

Any coalition can end up as the Vurhamis if they're not careful. 

(11-29-2021, 05:19 PM)Duco Ndona Wrote: Pretty much this. 

Having good "blood" or big numbers in your coalition mean nothing if you are a slow learner of the laws of nature.
Plenty of lions are build up to be big new king of the reserve. only to disappear without a trace in their first years. 
Just think of Nguvu, Nym and Syms coalition or the Othawa youngsters.

(11-29-2021, 08:22 AM)DE_66 Wrote:

(11-26-2021, 12:20 AM)sundarbans Wrote: Has there been any updates about the Tsalalas? Is it confirmed that the PC males were the ones that killed the Tsalala Princess and what would be the reason for their doing so? And any news about the daughter?

I don't think there was ever any proof presented that it was the PC Males other than the fact that they seen in the vicinity of the body.  Them being nearby means nothing, though.  Something had been eating the carcass. They could have followed the vultures or the sound of scavengers consuming the body.  

Or maybe it was them who killed her.  There's no proof, only speculation.  But it wasn't the the PC Males IMO.  The Mbiri Pride killed a rival lioness last year, then Junior Matimba/Nkuhuma showed up and started eating her.  He was there, but wasn't responsible for her death.