(02-05-2025, 09:15 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Mbiri males with the Mabotlel pride at Ngala, first 3 slides:

(02-06-2025, 07:34 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(02-05-2025, 09:15 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Mbiri males with the Mabotlel pride at Ngala, first 3 slides:

Mabotlet pride is another Birmingham breakaway, right?

But which females breakaway?

(02-07-2025, 11:29 AM)sunless Wrote: Update from the Sandringham

sandringhamreserve As wildlife rehabilitation efforts continue at Sandringham Private Game Reserve, we are gaining deeper insights into the diverse cat species that call the reserve home.

Currently, to the best of our knowledge, the reserve is home to approximately 20 lions. The Sandringham Black Dam Pride consists of eight adult females, three sub-adult males, four young cubs - including a rare white male - and three very young cubs. The dominant males include the Sandringham Xikukutsu male and a second Xikukutsu male, who appears less frequently.

As these lions grow more accustomed to our presence, we look forward to sharing more regular updates on them.

(02-07-2025, 12:28 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 11:29 AM)sunless Wrote: Update from the Sandringham

sandringhamreserve As wildlife rehabilitation efforts continue at Sandringham Private Game Reserve, we are gaining deeper insights into the diverse cat species that call the reserve home.

Currently, to the best of our knowledge, the reserve is home to approximately 20 lions. The Sandringham Black Dam Pride consists of eight adult females, three sub-adult males, four young cubs - including a rare white male - and three very young cubs. The dominant males include the Sandringham Xikukutsu male and a second Xikukutsu male, who appears less frequently.

As these lions grow more accustomed to our presence, we look forward to sharing more regular updates on them.

So assuming some of those females aren’t offspring of the Xikukutsus, it means the Black Dam females who first went over there with Giraffe Male have now joined back up with the three breakaway lionesses and formed a full pride once again. That would be the best case scenario instead of most of them going missing. 

We’ll see tho, if majority of the lionesses are quite young then they’re actually daughters of Xikukutsus and are strangely referred to as adult females whereas the males are still seen as subadults. Just read it back and there’s no mention of females elsewhere, so it seems the female offspring is already added to that count, and all of them are seen as adults meaning the reunion was unlikely.

I think the white cub being a male is great too for ppl who care about it, the white gene already runs in the pride so now he can spread it to other prides if he’s successful in raising his own offspring. Aside from the Birmingham breakaway white male who’s a tank, I’ve never really cared about white lions.

(02-07-2025, 07:22 PM)sunless Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 12:28 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 11:29 AM)sunless Wrote: Update from the Sandringham

sandringhamreserve As wildlife rehabilitation efforts continue at Sandringham Private Game Reserve, we are gaining deeper insights into the diverse cat species that call the reserve home.

Currently, to the best of our knowledge, the reserve is home to approximately 20 lions. The Sandringham Black Dam Pride consists of eight adult females, three sub-adult males, four young cubs - including a rare white male - and three very young cubs. The dominant males include the Sandringham Xikukutsu male and a second Xikukutsu male, who appears less frequently.

As these lions grow more accustomed to our presence, we look forward to sharing more regular updates on them.

So assuming some of those females aren’t offspring of the Xikukutsus, it means the Black Dam females who first went over there with Giraffe Male have now joined back up with the three breakaway lionesses and formed a full pride once again. That would be the best case scenario instead of most of them going missing. 

We’ll see tho, if majority of the lionesses are quite young then they’re actually daughters of Xikukutsus and are strangely referred to as adult females whereas the males are still seen as subadults. Just read it back and there’s no mention of females elsewhere, so it seems the female offspring is already added to that count, and all of them are seen as adults meaning the reunion was unlikely.

I think the white cub being a male is great too for ppl who care about it, the white gene already runs in the pride so now he can spread it to other prides if he’s successful in raising his own offspring. Aside from the Birmingham breakaway white male who’s a tank, I’ve never really cared about white lions.

This other photos is not included in their IG post but in their Facebook post, seems like the white cub had grown considerably.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EgNYGzAx8/

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(02-07-2025, 07:28 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 07:22 PM)sunless Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 12:28 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 11:29 AM)sunless Wrote: Update from the Sandringham

sandringhamreserve As wildlife rehabilitation efforts continue at Sandringham Private Game Reserve, we are gaining deeper insights into the diverse cat species that call the reserve home.

Currently, to the best of our knowledge, the reserve is home to approximately 20 lions. The Sandringham Black Dam Pride consists of eight adult females, three sub-adult males, four young cubs - including a rare white male - and three very young cubs. The dominant males include the Sandringham Xikukutsu male and a second Xikukutsu male, who appears less frequently.

As these lions grow more accustomed to our presence, we look forward to sharing more regular updates on them.

So assuming some of those females aren’t offspring of the Xikukutsus, it means the Black Dam females who first went over there with Giraffe Male have now joined back up with the three breakaway lionesses and formed a full pride once again. That would be the best case scenario instead of most of them going missing. 

We’ll see tho, if majority of the lionesses are quite young then they’re actually daughters of Xikukutsus and are strangely referred to as adult females whereas the males are still seen as subadults. Just read it back and there’s no mention of females elsewhere, so it seems the female offspring is already added to that count, and all of them are seen as adults meaning the reunion was unlikely.

I think the white cub being a male is great too for ppl who care about it, the white gene already runs in the pride so now he can spread it to other prides if he’s successful in raising his own offspring. Aside from the Birmingham breakaway white male who’s a tank, I’ve never really cared about white lions.

This other photos is not included in their IG post but in their Facebook post, seems like the white cub had grown considerably.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EgNYGzAx8/

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Indeed, those males are definitely older than subadults too, they look ready to leave. The quicker that place opens up permanently, the better.

(02-07-2025, 07:41 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 07:28 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 07:22 PM)sunless Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 12:28 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 11:29 AM)sunless Wrote: Update from the Sandringham

sandringhamreserve As wildlife rehabilitation efforts continue at Sandringham Private Game Reserve, we are gaining deeper insights into the diverse cat species that call the reserve home.

Currently, to the best of our knowledge, the reserve is home to approximately 20 lions. The Sandringham Black Dam Pride consists of eight adult females, three sub-adult males, four young cubs - including a rare white male - and three very young cubs. The dominant males include the Sandringham Xikukutsu male and a second Xikukutsu male, who appears less frequently.

As these lions grow more accustomed to our presence, we look forward to sharing more regular updates on them.

So assuming some of those females aren’t offspring of the Xikukutsus, it means the Black Dam females who first went over there with Giraffe Male have now joined back up with the three breakaway lionesses and formed a full pride once again. That would be the best case scenario instead of most of them going missing. 

We’ll see tho, if majority of the lionesses are quite young then they’re actually daughters of Xikukutsus and are strangely referred to as adult females whereas the males are still seen as subadults. Just read it back and there’s no mention of females elsewhere, so it seems the female offspring is already added to that count, and all of them are seen as adults meaning the reunion was unlikely.

I think the white cub being a male is great too for ppl who care about it, the white gene already runs in the pride so now he can spread it to other prides if he’s successful in raising his own offspring. Aside from the Birmingham breakaway white male who’s a tank, I’ve never really cared about white lions.

This other photos is not included in their IG post but in their Facebook post, seems like the white cub had grown considerably.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EgNYGzAx8/

*This image is copyright of its original author

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Indeed, those males are definitely older than subadults too, they look ready to leave. The quicker that place opens up permanently, the better.

I don't know if there are any fences surrounding Sandrigham, but if there are, do we know if they intend to tear them down? I sure wish we knew what happened to Giraffe Male, after he and the BD Pride crossed into there. It was around the same time as BDM was killed, too, a really hard time for the lions of that area.

(02-07-2025, 08:20 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 07:41 PM)BA0701 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 07:28 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 07:22 PM)sunless Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 12:28 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 11:29 AM)sunless Wrote: Update from the Sandringham

sandringhamreserve As wildlife rehabilitation efforts continue at Sandringham Private Game Reserve, we are gaining deeper insights into the diverse cat species that call the reserve home.

Currently, to the best of our knowledge, the reserve is home to approximately 20 lions. The Sandringham Black Dam Pride consists of eight adult females, three sub-adult males, four young cubs - including a rare white male - and three very young cubs. The dominant males include the Sandringham Xikukutsu male and a second Xikukutsu male, who appears less frequently.

As these lions grow more accustomed to our presence, we look forward to sharing more regular updates on them.

So assuming some of those females aren’t offspring of the Xikukutsus, it means the Black Dam females who first went over there with Giraffe Male have now joined back up with the three breakaway lionesses and formed a full pride once again. That would be the best case scenario instead of most of them going missing. 

We’ll see tho, if majority of the lionesses are quite young then they’re actually daughters of Xikukutsus and are strangely referred to as adult females whereas the males are still seen as subadults. Just read it back and there’s no mention of females elsewhere, so it seems the female offspring is already added to that count, and all of them are seen as adults meaning the reunion was unlikely.

I think the white cub being a male is great too for ppl who care about it, the white gene already runs in the pride so now he can spread it to other prides if he’s successful in raising his own offspring. Aside from the Birmingham breakaway white male who’s a tank, I’ve never really cared about white lions.

This other photos is not included in their IG post but in their Facebook post, seems like the white cub had grown considerably.
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EgNYGzAx8/

*This image is copyright of its original author

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Indeed, those males are definitely older than subadults too, they look ready to leave. The quicker that place opens up permanently, the better.

I don't know if there are any fences surrounding Sandrigham, but if there are, do we know if they intend to tear them down? I sure wish we knew what happened to Giraffe Male, after he and the BD Pride crossed into there. It was around the same time as BDM was killed, too, a really hard time for the lions of that area.

I heard that the fences are currently still up and that’s why Xikukutsus haven’t went back into Thornybush for a few years, since 2022 even, however they will be coming down once Sabi Sabi have finished their development, I believe that was said in an update someone sent in here the other day. 

Most ppl believe Giraffe Male is dead as around the same time Xikukutsus first went to establish themselves over there, a male was found dead but there was never an ID on who it was. Ppl believed it was Giraffe Male as he was thought to be the only male over there. Judging by atleast their count, there’s no other lions over there.

(02-08-2025, 12:50 AM)KM600 Wrote: Now this makes sense, I have to admit, I was real confused seeing this male especially with light maned Xikukustu being as he’s too old to be their son. Very full circle that tho, Xikukustus being related to Giraffe Male and also moving permanently to Sandringham with the Black Dam Breakaway Pride and then accepting his son who’s also related to everyone above. Some ppl may still say Ross males fathered them, which I don’t believe but even if true, Xikukustus would be related to them through Avoca Pride being a breakaway from Giraffe Pride.

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