(12-17-2024, 09:33 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Their success is so insane that it rivals that of Majingilane who were 5, ruled for 8 years and are synonymous with big successful coalition in the Greater Kruger.

They did something similar as a duo, crazy.

As for Mbiri, things looking good for their legacy, apparently nobody pressuring them as of right now, they'll likely at least raise the current Birmingham cubs ( oldest should be 2yo already ). But the new cubs from any Birmingham Breakaway female they currently have/will have, will need more luck, few males reach 13yo in the same shape the Ross had.

Still, 10 Mayambula cubs, whatever how many Skorro cubs made it, and up to 17 Birmingham cubs in a 8+ year reign would be way more than enough.

(12-17-2024, 10:01 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(12-17-2024, 09:33 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Their success is so insane that it rivals that of Majingilane who were 5, ruled for 8 years and are synonymous with big successful coalition in the Greater Kruger.

They did something similar as a duo, crazy.

As for Mbiri, things looking good for their legacy, apparently nobody pressuring them as of right now, they'll likely at least raise the current Birmingham cubs ( oldest should be 2yo already ). But the new cubs from any Birmingham Breakaway female they currently have/will have, will need more luck, few males reach 13yo in the same shape the Ross had.

Still, 10 Mayambula cubs, whatever how many Skorro cubs made it, and up to 17 Birmingham cubs in a 8+ year reign would be way more than enough.

Yea, when things will be settled and done, 2 Mbiris will prob go down as most legendary duo ever in Kruger (again, out of what we could observe and know).

They didnt only have longevity and success (like Ross males), but they are also two of the most badass and fierce males we could observe, with "expansive" and "conquering" mindset.

(12-17-2024, 08:36 PM)Mapokser Wrote: 14yo, what, 8 years in power? Countless cubs.

They lived the life, I can't even be sad for them.

(12-18-2024, 08:41 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Oh no doubt, and indeed I wasn't referring your comment at all, now that you mention it I realize it could have been seen this way.

Of course, it's always tough seeing a lion in bad condition, I was thinking more about it in a broader sense, that the end of the Ross males isn't a sad event considering they lived the best lion life possible leaving a huge legacy behind them.

(12-19-2024, 12:45 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(12-18-2024, 08:41 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Oh no doubt, and indeed I wasn't referring your comment at all, now that you mention it I realize it could have been seen this way.

Of course, it's always tough seeing a lion in bad condition, I was thinking more about it in a broader sense, that the end of the Ross males isn't a sad event considering they lived the best lion life possible leaving a huge legacy behind them.

Agreed, I’d actually prefer if the last Ross male was to die right now instead of recovering and just having no meaning in life, struggling to survive. That’s not the way u want to see such a legend go out.

(12-19-2024, 02:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(12-19-2024, 12:45 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(12-18-2024, 08:41 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Oh no doubt, and indeed I wasn't referring your comment at all, now that you mention it I realize it could have been seen this way.

Of course, it's always tough seeing a lion in bad condition, I was thinking more about it in a broader sense, that the end of the Ross males isn't a sad event considering they lived the best lion life possible leaving a huge legacy behind them.

Agreed, I’d actually prefer if the last Ross male was to die right now instead of recovering and just having no meaning in life, struggling to survive. That’s not the way u want to see such a legend go out.

While I understand your sentiment, I myself would never wish death on any of them. But, if I'm to be fully forthcoming, I do not believe it will be much longer until we see that outcome for Fabio, given his most recent condition. I am reminded of an old male lion, in a video that pops into my feed from time to time. The old lion, in obviously terrible condition, is trying to do everything he can to secure a badly needed buffalo meal. He grabs a buffalo, hanging on for dear life, until the buffalo is able to get him off, and begins beating the lion mercilessly, seemingly into near unconsciousness. I do not know who that old lion was, I recall some commenters saying that he was actually relocated after this incident, and went on to live awhile longer. It is a powerful video that I can never forget, though I do wish I knew who the male lion was, so I might try to learn more of his story, it is such a powerful telling of the age old story on never giving up.

Point being, these cats won't ever give up on themselves, so I won't give up on them either.

@KM600, I found the video I was referring to, though I do not believe this is the original one I have seen so many times.

(12-19-2024, 03:35 PM)KM600 Wrote:

(12-19-2024, 02:06 AM)BA0701 Wrote:

(12-19-2024, 12:45 AM)KM600 Wrote:

(12-18-2024, 08:41 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Oh no doubt, and indeed I wasn't referring your comment at all, now that you mention it I realize it could have been seen this way.

Of course, it's always tough seeing a lion in bad condition, I was thinking more about it in a broader sense, that the end of the Ross males isn't a sad event considering they lived the best lion life possible leaving a huge legacy behind them.

Agreed, I’d actually prefer if the last Ross male was to die right now instead of recovering and just having no meaning in life, struggling to survive. That’s not the way u want to see such a legend go out.

While I understand your sentiment, I myself would never wish death on any of them. But, if I'm to be fully forthcoming, I do not believe it will be much longer until we see that outcome for Fabio, given his most recent condition. I am reminded of an old male lion, in a video that pops into my feed from time to time. The old lion, in obviously terrible condition, is trying to do everything he can to secure a badly needed buffalo meal. He grabs a buffalo, hanging on for dear life, until the buffalo is able to get him off, and begins beating the lion mercilessly, seemingly into near unconsciousness. I do not know who that old lion was, I recall some commenters saying that he was actually relocated after this incident, and went on to live awhile longer. It is a powerful video that I can never forget, though I do wish I knew who the male lion was, so I might try to learn more of his story, it is such a powerful telling of the age old story on never giving up.

Point being, these cats won't ever give up on themselves, so I won't give up on them either.

@KM600, I found the video I was referring to, though I do not believe this is the original one I have seen so many times.

Ye I noticed my comment didn’t come across as I thought it did the moment after sending, I would only support the idea of him dying right now if it means he doesn’t have to live through however long, weeks / months of suffering. However, if he was to survive this, which I seriously doubt and goes onto live a half decent life as a nomad, while showing he very much still wants to live just a lil longer, I would be ecstatic for him. 

That video was prolly one of the saddest I have seen, I wanted the boy to get up while knowing he was ultimately dying from this altercation, just as u told me. I have never really liked these kind of videos, it started from when I first watched Brothers in Blood, Kinky Tails death really messed me up as a kid. Think I would have been 11 when I first watched that. Had always  loved nature documentaries in general even back then, but had never experienced one with such gory scenes. Kinky Tails back snapping on camera sent literal shivering down my back, still does. 

That documentary wouldn’t get out of my head, and years later I started to search the Mapogos to find stories of all these other males too, with the first being Dark Mane and the Northern Avocas.

Anyways, as I got older I started to realise these type of videos are just as important as all the good ones. It’s important we show all of their lifestyle, not just the ones ppl want to see. Just seen an old comment about the Brothers in Blood which I think resonates with this topic too, “ppl definitely have a ‘Disney mentality’ concerning nature, which is sad. Nature is brutal, but there is beauty in survival.’ That lion had crazy strength to take that beating and still go for the kill, nearly succeeded too, will always have my respect for that. If anyone knows who that lion is, I’d love to know his story.

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(12-15-2024, 11:14 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Posting for @sunless 

Injured Lion said to be the Blonde Ross Male (Fabio) seen today in a bad condition near Talamati Bush Camp.
So sad to see this iconic lion in this state. Fabio's and Tyson's legacy is going strong with the Birmingham Breakaway Males, Nephew, and the White Lion Xakubusa with his brother.
Do not know what happened to his neck/mane part in the 2nd photo it seems like it is scraped. Hoping for him to recover or a peaceful rest.

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(12-26-2024, 06:26 PM)KM600 Wrote: Now that Monwana males are being seen in Sabi Sands and Manyeleti, it seems like they were the ones I heard possibly having altercations with the Birmingham breakaway males a few days ago. The coalition was never specified, just that the Birmingham males had run them off. Too much competition for them in Timbavati, it’s better this way.

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