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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Mapokser - 10-10-2024
Monwanas might oust the Ross soon.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 10-10-2024
(10-10-2024, 01:31 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Monwanas might oust the Ross soon.
They are looking strong and well developed for their age. Also they have very serious attidute for their age. They are not messing around and not wasting time at all. Still it would be much better for them to go back to Manyeleti and establish themselfs there insteed of Ngala/Shindzela. There they are risking confrontation with Mbiris, Black Dams and Birmingham breakaway that might be deadly danger for Monwanas. After all as much as imperssive they look and how imperssive they are doing for their age they still are not even 4 years old and probably would stand no chance against strong coalitions like those mentioned.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - MrLoesoe - 10-11-2024
(10-10-2024, 01:49 AM)Potato Wrote:(10-10-2024, 01:31 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Monwanas might oust the Ross soon.
They are looking strong and well developed for their age. Also they have very serious attidute for their age. They are not messing around and not wasting time at all. Still it would be much better for them to go back to Manyeleti and establish themselfs there insteed of Ngala/Shindzela. There they are risking confrontation with Mbiris, Black Dams and Birmingham breakaway that might be deadly danger for Monwanas. After all as much as imperssive they look and how imperssive they are doing for their age they still are not even 4 years old and probably would stand no chance against strong coalitions like those mentioned.
I agree that Manyeleti would be better for them. Especially Mbiri pride is almost 'up for grabs'. However, three Monwana's were in Manyeleti this summer, and not just North around Timbavati border but also in Nharu territory. They were with Nharus on a kill but then got chased away by Red Road male. Obviously we do not know lions' motives but I can imagine, after confrontation(s) in Manyeleti, maybe Monwanas felt Manyeleti was too dangerous after that altercation. And then returned to territories that they were more comfortable around.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 10-11-2024
(10-11-2024, 12:39 AM)MrLoesoe Wrote: I can imagine, after confrontation(s) in Manyeleti, maybe Monwanas felt Manyeleti was too dangerous after that altercationTimbavati is far more dangerous than Manyeleti. Manyeleti is almost as easy for takeover as it can get. What kind of danger is Red Road in comparison to those coalitions they can run into in Timbavati....
RE: Lions of Timbavati - MrLoesoe - 10-11-2024
Yes I agree. I was just trying to explain their motives for returning to Timbavati. Lions can obviously not know that Manyeleti is an easy takeover like we do
RE: Lions of Timbavati - BigLion39 - 10-11-2024
About the 2 Ross males... info from Renion Mercado (not sure of spelling his name) who is either from the area or connected to that area somehow, I don't know. I do know he is credible.
Fabio has not been in good condition for weeks/months now. He had marks on him from weeks ago. No new fighting injuries and the video saying he was attacked by Monwana males is misleading. Fabio has no new injuries. Supposedly and obviously age is showing on the 2 extremely successful legends.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - MrLoesoe - 10-11-2024
Ross male Fabio gets chased off a kill by a young Monwana male. The old male seems to know very well he is not ready for a fight atm.
Pride takeover in the making? Although I am not sure if Monwana's are looking to be territorial yet, maybe their behaviour is more opportunistic in nature (females + food).
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Ngonya - 10-11-2024
Ziggi Hugo
This last 8 weeks we saw some shifts in the lion prides of Southern Timbavati. Mapoza was not seen for 2 months and Monwana pride split to pieces. Most Monwana's doing well and in fairly good condition. Some Monwana males have been mating with Birmingham- breakaway lionesses, had to run from the Break away males a few times and hunt in hostile territory.
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The Break away males have been mating with some Giraffe pride lionesses, stole some kills from various prides and made a few kills themselves. Really good looking males. The one male has a limp and and might hinder him in the future.
Kovu
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Indlebe (half ear) - Dzombo
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Indlebe (limping male)
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Monwana pride killed a Giraffe and was chased off by a Mbiri male and later was chased off by one of the young Monwana males. giraffe pride also moves a lot lately. The Mayambulas also show time and again. The older males time is up. New dynamics to be finalized soon.
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 10-11-2024
(10-11-2024, 07:01 PM)Ngonya Wrote: Mbiri male and later was chased off by one of the young Monwana males.
1 of Monwana males alone chased of Shaka or Monwana pride?
As article suggest, we might be in for a big shift in this southern Timbavati area, as Ross's, Hercules's and maybe even Mbiris time might be up, as looks like they cant displace Birmingham Breakaways and up and coming young Monwanas.
Any news on Birmingham nephew? He was in this area and mating with BBreakaway female, nothing on him recently, hope he didnt get caught by someone.
Also where is young Avoca?
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 10-12-2024
(10-11-2024, 08:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: maybe even Mbiris time might be up, as looks like they cant displace Birmingham Breakaways and up and coming young Monwanas.Birmingham Breakaways are too far north (at least for now) to threaten Mbiris. Monwanas probably need at least couple of months (more likely a year) to tangle with someone like Mbiris without getting themselfs killed. Keep in mind thet 2 of them are barely 2 and half years old and the other 4 just 3 and half and keep in mind that Mbiris quite recently eaten alive male lion in his absolute prime. My feeling is that if those Monwanas would run soon into Mbiris then one of those youngest Monwanas possibly wouldn't walk out of it alive.
(10-11-2024, 08:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: we might be in for a big shift in this southern Timbavati area, as Ross's, Hercules's and maybe even MbirisAlso this might be just a beginning. Giraffe pride females in oestrus might easly bring intrest also Vuyela males and/or even Black Dams and the BB pride females might easly bring intrest of Black Dams and/or Mbiri males.
(10-11-2024, 08:49 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Any news on Birmingham nephew? He was in this area and mating with BBreakaway female, nothing on him recently, hope he didnt get caught by someone.
Also where is young Avoca?
Probably just venturing other arenas as is normaly the case with young nomadic males.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 10-12-2024
(10-12-2024, 01:02 AM)Potato Wrote: Monwanas probably need at least couple of months (more likely a year) to tangle with someone like Mbiris without getting themselfs killed. Keep in mind thet 2 of them are barely 2 and half years old and the other 4 just 3 and half and keep in mind that Mbiris quite recently eaten alive male lion in his absolute prime. My feeling is that if those Monwanas would run soon into Mbiris then one of those youngest Monwanas possibly wouldn't walk out of it alive.
This report says that only 1 of Monwana young males chased Shaka Mbiri (if i understand correctly) and theres 4 of them at that age, 1 of them also dominated Birmingham Nephew, who is almost 1 year older.
They might not be treat immidiately, but in a half a year or so they very well could be, as they are showing boldness at such young age alreday.
Also, they are traversing that area towards Manyeleti, so very well they might find interestes in that area around Ngala/Orpen/Northern Manyeleti, as for now Birimingham Breakaways are stronger further west around Shindzela and i dont see them going north vs Vuyelas or in Thornybush vs BDMs.
Also, Mbiris are getting older, they are not in their primes anymore.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Mapokser - 10-12-2024
As per the text, Monwana chased the Giraffe pride, not Mbiri male.
Edit: chased the Monwana pride*
RE: Lions of Timbavati - BA0701 - 10-12-2024
(10-12-2024, 09:59 PM)Mapokser Wrote: As per the text, Monwana chased the Giraffe pride, not Mbiri male.
It says "Monwana pride killed a Giraffe and was chased off by a Mbiri male and later was chased off by one of the young Monwana males. giraffe pride also moves a lot lately.", so, to be honest, it isn't clear exactly who chased who, except that the Mbiri male chased off the Monwana Pride.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 10-13-2024
(10-12-2024, 09:59 PM)Mapokser Wrote: As per the text, Monwana chased the Giraffe pride, not Mbiri male.
(10-12-2024, 11:01 PM)BA0701 Wrote: It says "Monwana pride killed a Giraffe and was chased off by a Mbiri male and later was chased off by one of the young Monwana males. giraffe pride also moves a lot lately.", so, to be honest, it isn't clear exactly who chased who, except that the Mbiri male chased off the Monwana Pride.
If Mbiri male chased Monwana pride, then Mbiri male claimed kill and was later chased by 1 Monwana (by logic).
Idk how could Monwana young male chase Monwana pride from the kill if they already lost the kill to Mbiri male.
Also, Monwana young males hanged with Monwana pride until recently, so very unlikely he chased them by this point.
Giraffe pride is not involved in this.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 10-13-2024