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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Mapokser - 08-01-2024
(08-01-2024, 12:06 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote:(08-01-2024, 12:03 AM)Mapokser Wrote: Age is taking a toll in them, dominant males generally don't lose clashes to 3 subadults.
They are not exactly subadults, they should be around 4 yrs of age (idk their exact birth dates, but they are born in 2020 thru multiple litters).
Some of those guys looked big as Avoca young male, who is pretty much fully grown and not a small male himself.
New update: Ross males retaked the kill
Ross chased them out? Source?
I'm seeing a video here that shows Ross in perfect condition, you can't even tell they are not in their prime from the video, still, dominant males usually don't have trouble with 4yo nomads, not long ago the Ross were stalemating Young Avoca and Guernsey males who were challenging for territory.
Despite how good they're looking, age must have taken a toll in their confidence.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 08-01-2024
There are 4 Monawna young males in total and they were born februach-march 2021.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 08-01-2024
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 08-01-2024
(08-01-2024, 05:02 PM)Potato Wrote: There are 4 Monawna young males in total and they were born februach-march 2021.
3.5 yrs old, younger then expected.
Yea, I dont think they are threat yet for territory, but next year they might be.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Ttimemarti - 08-01-2024
Only 4? I swear I saw 5 in the video with the avoca young male
RE: Lions of Timbavati - criollo2mil - 08-01-2024
(08-01-2024, 05:02 PM)Potato Wrote: There are 4 Monawna young males in total and they were born februach-march 2021.
oh, theres more than 4. there were 7 males at one time but I think 6 made it to sub adulthood. let me find a pic i have at hte pride at a waterhole and you cna count 6 easily.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - criollo2mil - 08-01-2024
(08-01-2024, 07:00 PM)criollo2mil Wrote:(08-01-2024, 05:02 PM)Potato Wrote: There are 4 Monawna young males in total and they were born februach-march 2021.
oh, theres more than 4. there were 7 males at one time but I think 6 made it to sub adulthood. let me find a pic i have at the pride at a waterhole and you can count 6 easily.
heres a photo of members of the Monwana w Dad Mapoza. I can count 6 males....could maybe find 7? not sure but please take a look for yourselves.
i apologize i don't have exact date and credit.
EDIT: i share this image with a heavy heart. Mapoza has not been seen in a few weeks. last known sighting was 29 June (the sighting hes expelling Avoca YM at the kill) . guides in the area have been pessimistic regarding Mapoza's status...they're guarded in saying he may not be seen again.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Tr1x24 - 08-01-2024
(08-01-2024, 07:08 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: heres a photo of members of the Monwana w Dad Mapoza. I can count 6 males....could maybe find 7? not sure but please take a look for yourselves.
Yea, on that sighting with Avoca young male, I also counted atleast 5-6 males, but some have barely mane and are prob younger then those 3-4 older ones.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 08-01-2024
(08-01-2024, 07:08 PM)criollo2mil Wrote: heres a photo of members of the Monwana w Dad Mapoza. I can count 6 males....could maybe find 7? not sure but please take a look for yourselves.Because there is also 1 year younger litter (from march 2022), sired by Mapoza alone, I don't know sexes of. There are through 4 big boys in total, that is counting males from february-march 2021 alone.
(08-01-2024, 07:23 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Yea, on that sighting with Avoca young male, I also counted atleast 5-6 males, but some have barely mane and are prob younger then those 3-4 older ones.
I am guessing now (as I do not ID them) that the 2 boys on the right side of the photo you posted might be 2022 litter as they look quite a bit smaller than the other 3 males on this photo.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Cath2020 - 08-01-2024
So no sighting of Mapoza in over a month if his last was the end of June! Does not look promising
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 08-01-2024
There they were again, roaring the whole night, we knew what was waiting for us on game drive. We left the lodge with the last vocalisation of the males on the background. When we found them they were still moving north deep into the territory of the Monwana pride. The Black Dam males moved directly into the direction of where the Monwana's were seen the night before, but weren't able to get to their location. The Monwana pride moved away into the Timbavati, probably because of the roars of the Black Dam males.
The shift in lion dynamics in Thornybush Nature Reserve is becoming more clear and I am curious to see what the Monwana pride females and sub-adult males will do with another encounter. Will the Monwana pride return or will they stay for north?
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Mapokser - 08-01-2024
So indeed this was the second time the Ross are chased by subadults, which is weird, but at least they retaliated this time.
I'm still impressed by how impressive they look at their age.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 08-02-2024
(08-01-2024, 05:05 PM)Potato Wrote:
Ross males are still beasts despite their old age - What a duo!
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T I N O - 08-02-2024
(08-01-2024, 08:00 PM)Cath2020 Wrote: So no sighting of Mapoza in over a month if his last was the end of June! Does not look promising
Very agree with you, that sounds quite worrying. Hopefully he is still with the Monwana somewhere in Thornybush.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - criollo2mil - 08-03-2024
Three of The Monwana YMs (Mapoza Sons) have made their way onto the Manyeleti and seen 400 meters from the Mbiri Pride whom were with The Orpen Son and a few members.
These boys look in fantastic shape.
Credit: Vestment