(06-26-2024, 10:40 AM)Tr1x24 Wrote: Looks like they didnt succeed at trying to establish themselves as full territorial and pride males of Mayambulas

(06-24-2024, 10:38 PM)Tr1x24 Wrote:

(06-24-2024, 09:44 PM)BA0701 Wrote: Also, appears to me, that they didn't take over the pride yet, as well, Else why would they chase them off like that, and if they were pride males why would those females run away like that?

Yea, they where prob seen with few members, mating etc., but still didnt establish themselves as full pride males.

Did someone recognize 3 males?

Black maned is Kovu i think.

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(06-26-2024, 09:28 PM)Mapokser Wrote: Wow so it seems at least 5 BB are alive and together, meaning we might really see a serious competition between 2 huge coalitions which is rare to see to a point we don't know much how such competition plays out.

5v5 or 5v6 is probably anyone's game, it'd depend a lot on luck and who catches who first, but that's assuming the BB aren't pushoevers and can act at least like average dominant males, because clearly the Vuyelas are more experienced and in their absolute peak.

(06-26-2024, 08:31 PM)lionuk Wrote: Another recent picture of Kovu. He does look like the Lieutenant Avoca/Giraffe male, my opinion

(06-26-2024, 10:58 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @KM600 only instances I remember ( in a well observed area ) where Matimbas and Majingilane in mid to late 2011. Majingilane were a year older, but Matimbas had numbers.

4 Majingilane and 6 Matimba. They had an encounter where 3 Majingis met 4 Matimba ( including older Ndhuna and younger 4,5yo HB ). It was in Majingi territory, Matimbas chased them but Majingis turned at some point and chased back, this went back and forth all morning.

One report said it was a stalemate, another guide said the Majingis won because it was in their territory.

Immediately after that though, Majingis abandoned the far north and east that they took from Mapogo and Gijimas, and the Matimbas took the NK pride.

It's likely that hearing 6 Matimbas roaring the Majingis quickly realized that it was better to leave.

And then the other instance was 4 Majingi and 4 Selatis. That was well documented, the Majingis were older, much more experienced, bigger and primed and always on the offensive, the Selatis always defending themselves, but despite being on the defensive, they were getting the better of the Majingis, winning clashes even when outnumbered.

One Selati perished from a buffalo injury though and then in early 2014 the Majingis quickly defeated them 4v3. When it was 4v4 though, even with an injury Selati and the Majingis trying hard and having good opportunities, they couldn't beat the Selatis.

Even here though, 6 Matimba v 4 Majingi had only one clash, 3v4. And 4 Selati v 4 Majingi is a good comparison but still only one example and 4v4 not 5v5 or 5v6.

(06-26-2024, 10:58 PM)Mapokser Wrote: @KM600 only instances I remember ( in a well observed area ) where Matimbas and Majingilane in mid to late 2011. Majingilane were a year older, but Matimbas had numbers.

4 Majingilane and 6 Matimba. They had an encounter where 3 Majingis met 4 Matimba ( including older Ndhuna and younger 4,5yo HB ). It was in Majingi territory, Matimbas chased them but Majingis turned at some point and chased back, this went back and forth all morning.

One report said it was a stalemate, another guide said the Majingis won because it was in their territory.

Immediately after that though, Majingis abandoned the far north and east that they took from Mapogo and Gijimas, and the Matimbas took the NK pride.

It's likely that hearing 6 Matimbas roaring the Majingis quickly realized that it was better to leave.

And then the other instance was 4 Majingi and 4 Selatis. That was well documented, the Majingis were older, much more experienced, bigger and primed and always on the offensive, the Selatis always defending themselves, but despite being on the defensive, they were getting the better of the Majingis, winning clashes even when outnumbered.

One Selati perished from a buffalo injury though and then in early 2014 the Majingis quickly defeated them 4v3. When it was 4v4 though, even with an injury Selati and the Majingis trying hard and having good opportunities, they couldn't beat the Selatis.

Even here though, 6 Matimba v 4 Majingi had only one clash, 3v4. And 4 Selati v 4 Majingi is a good comparison but still only one example and 4v4 not 5v5 or 5v6.

(06-29-2024, 02:51 PM)KM600 Wrote: Young Avoca male had a run in with the Monwana Pride. He was feeding with them until Mapoza showed up with his sons and they gave him a lil beating. That one young male to the right is real aggressive, looks like he went straight for the neck.

Good to hear that Mapoza is spending a lot of time with his sons, he will eventually lose the pride and can lean on that strong bond to occupy somewhere else with his sons.