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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Ponce - 05-11-2024
Are all the subadults still in the pride or just the smallest?
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RE: Lions of Timbavati - Mwk85 - 05-12-2024
Young Giraffe male is said to be a father now. Not sure how many of the Monwana breakaways he mated with but one or possibly more have had cubs.
Edit: Do to a lack of due diligence on my part and questions that I feel are legitimate having been raised as to the exact sire of the cubs I have decided to edit this post. What is know is this, a group of lionesses that are from the Monwana Pride (possibly a breakaway group) have been seen with new cubs. The Young Giraffe Male is said to have mated with said lionesses before, but I cannot say for absolute certainty as to the time-line of those events so the possibility of another male, perhaps Mapoza himself, mating with them as well cannot be ruled out. I'm trying to find out whom the above mentioned lionesses actually are and if footage of the Young Giraffe male and them mating is available. My apologies, it was not my intent to potentially share inaccurate information on here.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Cath2020 - 05-12-2024
Who sired him? Does he have a partner? Haven't really heard about this male or the Monwana Breakaways. Is he the male that was partnered with the Limping Monwana Male? They were seen together as late as April 24th, I believe, however it's hard for the lame one to keep up with his partner and to obtain meals independently. He was seen in rough shape last sighting, alone.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Mwk85 - 05-12-2024
(05-12-2024, 07:32 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: Who sired him? Does he have a partner? Haven't really heard about this male or the Monwana Breakaways. Is he the male that was partnered with the Limping Monwana Male? They were seen together as late as April 24th, I believe, however it's hard for the lame one to keep up with his partner and to obtain meals independently. He was seen in rough shape last sighting, alone.
I honestly don't remember who his father/fathers are, sorry. Yes, he's the male that's been with the Limping Monwana male, haven't seen anything on whether or not they're back together or if LMM is still on his own.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Ttimemarti - 05-12-2024
I get confused sometimes but I think the limping Montana male and the giraffe male have the same fathers and it’s the avoca young male who is the son of the mapoza
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Rabubi - 05-12-2024
(05-12-2024, 05:42 AM)Mwk85 Wrote: Young Giraffe male is said to be a father now. Not sure how many of the Monwana breakaways he mated with but one or possibly more have had cubs.
The Young Giraffe male was sired by the Black Dam Male, correct?
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 05-12-2024
(05-12-2024, 11:44 AM)Rabubi Wrote: The Young Giraffe male was sired by the Black Dam Male, correct?yes
(05-12-2024, 05:42 AM)Mwk85 Wrote: Young Giraffe male is said to be a father now. Not sure how many of the Monwana breakaways he mated with but one or possibly more have had cubs.Where this assumption that the cubs are sired by young Giraffe male insteed of dominant over pride Mapoza male even came from? Is there even a single sighing of Giraffe male with Monwana females?
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 05-12-2024
RE: Lions of Timbavati - T_Ferguson - 05-12-2024
Mapoza can't stand up to this. It's a shame for sure.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Cath2020 - 05-12-2024
(05-12-2024, 09:33 AM)Mwk85 Wrote:(05-12-2024, 07:32 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: Who sired him? Does he have a partner? Haven't really heard about this male or the Monwana Breakaways. Is he the male that was partnered with the Limping Monwana Male? They were seen together as late as April 24th, I believe, however it's hard for the lame one to keep up with his partner and to obtain meals independently. He was seen in rough shape last sighting, alone.
I honestly don't remember who his father/fathers are, sorry. Yes, he's the male that's been with the Limping Monwana male, haven't seen anything on whether or not they're back together or if LMM is still on his own.
Then if he's the father, it stands to reason the Limping male could also have sired some of the cubs since they were together up until the end of April. Didn't know there was a breakaway group, either.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Mwk85 - 05-13-2024
(05-12-2024, 12:21 PM)Potato Wrote:(05-12-2024, 11:44 AM)Rabubi Wrote: The Young Giraffe male was sired by the Black Dam Male, correct?yes
(05-12-2024, 05:42 AM)Mwk85 Wrote: Young Giraffe male is said to be a father now. Not sure how many of the Monwana breakaways he mated with but one or possibly more have had cubs.Where this assumption that the cubs are sired by young Giraffe male insteed of dominant over pride Mapoza male even came from? Is there even a single sighing of Giraffe male with Monwana females?
I would imagine it comes from previously reported mating haven taken place by him and some of the females. I will see if I can find more information on those reports and share what I may be able to find. Until then I will edit my previous post.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - DE_66 - 05-13-2024
Does anyone know the make up of the Monwana Pride? How old are the oldest Mapoza offspring? How many cubs, subadults, etc.? Are any of them fathered by the Xikukutsu (spelling) Males?
Whatever happened to the Xikukutsu Males? Where's the Black Dam Pride? Does Mapoza have offspring in the Black Dam Pride?
RE: Lions of Timbavati - Potato - 05-13-2024
(05-13-2024, 04:56 PM)DE_66 Wrote: Does anyone know the make up of the Monwana Pride?Should be (without counting any potential recent loses caused by Black Dam males) 5 older females, 4 females and 4 males from February-March 2021, 3 subs from March 2022 and some new cubs, idk how many.
(05-13-2024, 04:56 PM)DE_66 Wrote: Are any of them fathered by the Xikukutsu (spelling) Males?Yes, they along with Mapoza male sired 2021 Monwana pride litters.
(05-13-2024, 04:56 PM)DE_66 Wrote: Whatever happened to the Xikukutsu Males? Where's the Black Dam Pride?They went to Sandringham property.
(05-13-2024, 04:56 PM)DE_66 Wrote: Does Mapoza have offspring in the Black Dam Pride?Similar case as with Monwana pride. Mapoza male ussed to be in a coalition with Xikukutsu males and in that peroid of time they took over both Monwana and Black Dam prides.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - criollo2mil - 05-14-2024
(05-12-2024, 07:32 AM)Cath2020 Wrote: Who sired him? Does he have a partner? Haven't really heard about this male or the Monwana Breakaways. Is he the male that was partnered with the Limping Monwana Male? They were seen together as late as April 24th, I believe, however it's hard for the lame one to keep up with his partner and to obtain meals independently. He was seen in rough shape last sighting, alone.
The Girrafe male is partner to Limping Monwana, both sired by The Black Dam Male. Several months ago, he was seen mating w a splinter from the Monwana Pride consisting of two females. It’s a foregone conclusion, GM is the father of the cubs. I think four cubs in total.
RE: Lions of Timbavati - criollo2mil - 05-14-2024
Avoca YM